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kaz911:
US law vs EU/UK law is different regarding settlements.

So basic EU/UK lawsuits you can sue for actual loss only. And you have to demonstrate the value of your loss. Then you get compensation for that plus maybe something for supplier being careless. But it is lots of work for little payout.

US settlements are usually 10-50x larger at least. I had a US settlement once for something I had purchased - and ended up getting about 40% back of the original purchase price for 8 months of "forced downtime" on something with an estimated 30 year life. 

DougSpindler:
Thanks for sharing.  As I sued GM I am not allowed to discuss the specifics of my StP lawsuit.  But let's just say GM settled, paid ALL attorneys fees AND provided enough cash and other concessions equaling about 2 GM cars.

If the US if a product manufacture knowingly sells a defective product as the Volt they are liable for court costs, attorney fees, and punitive damages.  All which I received over the StP issue.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: DougSpindler on April 19, 2023, 07:27:16 pm ---Thanks for sharing.  As I sued GM I am not allowed to discuss the specifics of my StP lawsuit.  But let's just say GM settled, paid ALL attorneys fees AND provided enough cash and other concessions equaling about 2 GM cars.

If the US if a product manufacture knowingly sells a defective product as the Volt they are liable for court costs, attorney fees, and punitive damages.  All which I received over the StP issue.

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To my mind, the Shift to Park issue is related to the general trend of overcomplicating cars.   Who needs a simple transmission shift cable (on an ICE car) that can last 50 years when you can replace said cable with a computer and a servo (looking at you, Ford) with a TTL of a few years?

tom66:

--- Quote from: coppice on April 19, 2023, 12:42:54 pm ---I think EV makers in general have a support issue. The stories about Teslas get a lot of news, but look at other makes. When I buy a car I need to know it will have support - quick and easy to access maintenance, crash repairs and so on. Its not a toy. I'm not buying a Ferrari, where its definitely not a daily driver, and it can be off the road for a while without much impact to me. If it breaks, or needs impact repair, it needs to be quickly working again. Loan cars are not really an effective substitute for getting your car back, and if we aren't taking about warranty work the cost is huge. In this environment look at the tales of the big European brands, like VW and BMW. Their ICE cars get turned around quickly, but there are many reports of the electric ones being off the road for ages, or needing to go extreme distances to a service centre. Polestar, being a new brand, one might expect to push their support side hard on their web site, and in other publicity. Last time I looked they didn't mention what you do to get one fixed. Do you go to your local Volvo dealer? Seems you do, as when I take my Volvo in for its annual service there are bunch of Polestars standing by the service shop. It seems Volvo/Polestar don't even register the needs of the average car owner in promoting their products.

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I was rear ended in my ID.3 and the bumper replacement took 2 months... but that being said it was more of a workshop capacity issue as I understand it (the part had a 1 week lead time). Fortunately the car was drivable just with a cracked bumper.

It very much depends on the extent of the damage.  If any HV components are involved it needs a specialist and there just aren't enough of those yet.

f4eru:
Same experience here. I was rear-ended in my Skoda Enyaq (same car as VW ID4 with different styling).
A few crush elements and bumper parts were replaced, for a reasonnable price.

All this FUD over battery write off is what it is, well, FUD.
An EV battery pack is a very robust package, and if it gets heavy damage, it would have written off an ICE car going through the same accident anyway.

The only exception to this is damaged connections HV, or coolant to the pack, like in the example from Rich Rebuilds:



Then you either accept a high quote for a complete exchange, or you accept to go to an independent.
There are similar situations with ICE cars, where road debris can break off parts of an engine which are not easy to replace without huge cost at official OEM rates, but you can get to an independent garage which may be able to weld together a thing that works.

The generalized stays true : the maintenance in an EV is 1/3 that of an ICE car, long term.

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