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Electrolysis optimization via arbitrary wave forms - open source project

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Saw this video
and was considering building a rig that would generate random wave forms and apply them to the circuit shown in the video measuring the light bulb current until it finds optimum wave forms that split H2O with minimal power.

I want to build, run, and feed the results into a software neural network that can suggest better waveforms than random.
Once the waves are identified, I'd hire an engineer to build the cheapest circuit possible, and publish for everyone to copy.

I'm a crusty software engineer (EE wannabee), so creating the software to generate the waveforms/and send to a function generator is not an issue.
I have a Rigol DP832 PSU,  MSO2072A scope.
I have very limited electronics knowledge, other than basic stuff I learned in Physics classes and what I learned wiring my house for solar.
I'm open to any suggestions and plan to open souce all my work.

My questions are:
-  what programable waveform generator to buy under $2k. I just ordered this cheap unit based on a forum post:
       MHS-5225A High Precision Digital Dual-channel DDS Signal Generator Arbitrary waveform generator Frequency meter 200MSa/s 25MHz
-  is the current the best proxy for HHO output or should I buy an Hydrogen meter?
- What parts should I order to build the circuit
- any other suggestions? Has this been done before?
- should I consider using an electron gun or light as part of the equation?

What exactly is this trying to achieve? It looks rather bizarre. The coil is just weird. The video says the cell is distilled water, but you can't split distilled water without a silly amount of voltage and the process is horribly inefficient. I also saw the name "Stanley Meyer" which immediately set of some warnings - he pushed some very dubious science. I'm not sure if it was intentional fraud or just wishful thinking, but he pushed some ideas that really did not agree with the laws of physics.

Trying to fiddle with waveforms isn't going to work very well, as I can already tell you basic on simple physics what the ideal waveform is: Plain DC if you want to get the hydrogen and oxygen separately, or a low-frequency square wave (ie, just keep switching polarity) for the gas mix. A gas mix, I note, which I am not going to go anywhere near in quantities greater than 100ml. I've detonated that stuff in a balloon before, left me deaf for a short time.

What do you want these for anyway? There's a lot of woo surrounding hydrogen/oxygen production in this manner, and magic-like properties attributed to the resulting gas. A lot of people believe that adding oxyhydrogen into an internal combustion engine will boost efficiency, but I tried to find research a while ago to support this claim and I got nothing - except a Popular Mechanics article with a very un-scientific tinkerer's study. Which showed it didn't work. I can't think of any uses for it other than insanely dangerous steampunk toys or recreational explosions. Everyone likes blowing stuff up.

Word of warning: Are you using stainless steel electrodes? Good choice, but beware of chromium leeching. You can get some nastily toxic byproducts if things go wrong.

I was actually interested in Free Energy when i was younger and came to the conclusion that no functioning device with overunity properties was ever shown,while thousands of people research such devices in their free time. I know the Stanley Meyer-device and thought about that too for a while and it seems logical that it could function, but thermodynamics forbids such dreams. And if this guy: http://jnaudin.free.fr/wfc/ is not capable of achieving more than 100% efficiency with his prototype then i doubt that you will, fancy neural nets will do nothing about this. Spend your money and time on something worthwhile.

the automated search sounds interesting.
maybe a way to determine how much gas is generated is by using an optical setup to count the bubbles.

dont be put off by people talking about so-called laws.
these are being re-written almost daily since the discovery of nano-materials,
they were all based on theory before anybody had the ability to actually test them.

one thing i seem to remember bout what your doing,
it's a pulsed waveform,
in other words, a waveform gated by a second waveform.
and it's high voltage, rather than high current.

Name me one nanomaterial that broke thermodynamics. They allow for superconductors, metamaterials and better solar cells, but certainly not for miracles.
Go build a Stargate with your nanomaterials and place one in the vicinity of the sun and one on earth, so we can power gargantuan Stirling-engines.


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