Actual data proving Tesla EV's are 8 times less costly to operate than ICE

[hendorog]

Them your system sucks. Last time I was in the US you had to go into the station first and give the attendant your credit card or get it authorised or something and then go back outside to fill up. Completely stupid system.

It must have been awhile since  you were here.  I just put in the card to the pump, put in my zip code and start pumping.

Nice, so your pin is your zip code.

[tom66]

Telsa made a warranty decision for publicity value, namely offering the 8-year infinite battery warranty, which Tesloop took advantage of to get multiple battery replacements as they wore them out in their high-use scenario. Tesla has now corrected that mistake. Newer production Teslas, including X, S, and model 3's, all have 8-year mileage limited warranties, which throws some major avoided expenses back into future cost analysis.
https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty

This is correct, but not the prior warranty did not cover degradation, only total failure of the pack. 

If Tesloop had their pack replaced it was likely because it was one of the early revision Model S/X packs that had high failure rates (something like 99% of all -A series packs and 70% of all -B series packs were replaced under warranty, old packs being refurbished.)

In their defence Tesla were still figuring out how to make cars at that point ...

[maginnovision]

The replacement rate was significantly higher than 0 here in southern California. My source was(we're still friends but he doesn't work there so I can't say for sure but it's pretty likely nothing much changed) a tesla service manager before he moved over to rivian. He made the move this year. It was almost 4% while he was there(2016-2020).

[tom66]

Yes, it was pretty high initially. For one, Tesla had contactors failing in the battery pack, and in the initial pack version, it was not easy to service these without changing the whole pack.

I guess the question is whether Model 3 and newer Model S have high pack failure rates.  Does he still work for Tesla?

FWIW, the battery pack in my PHEV was replaced under warranty as water had contaminated the pack. (Seal was not fitted correctly in the factory - known recall for VW electric vehicles.)

[SilverSolder]

Yes, it was pretty high initially. For one, Tesla had contactors failing in the battery pack, and in the initial pack version, it was not easy to service these without changing the whole pack.

I guess the question is whether Model 3 and newer Model S have high pack failure rates.  Does he still work for Tesla?

FWIW, the battery pack in my PHEV was replaced under warranty as water had contaminated the pack. (Seal was not fitted correctly in the factory - known recall for VW electric vehicles.)

Water contamination is an issue with ICEs as well.  (said the man that filled his spark plug wells with water in an attempt to wash his engine...  needless to say, this did not mix well with the high voltage sparks)