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Offline quinceTopic starter

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https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/power-management-pmic/voltage-regulators-dc-dc-switching-regulators/739?s=N4IgjCBcoLQdIDGUBmBDANgZwKYBoQB7KAbXDAAYAmEAXQF9Gg

Only 8 of 65 MPNs are available. Over 40 are suddenly obsolete. My company got zero notification of the obsolescence of these modules despite buying thousands from various distributors over the past few years. What happened?
 

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Re: Why are all Vicor PI3 modules suddenly out of stock or obsolete?
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2024, 01:50:06 am »
It’s a long shot, but could be clerical error at Digikey end. Suggest you cross your fingers and check with Victor directly.
 

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Re: Why are all Vicor PI3 modules suddenly out of stock or obsolete?
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2024, 04:34:42 am »
I browsed through some of these obsolete parts. For some, Vicor did issue a PCN Obsolescence/ EOL notice, mostly in January 2021 or January 2023.

But for many like this one, there is a document from Digikey stating that they were not given any notice by Vicor either. I've never seen such a thing before, definitely a very bad sign for Vicor and their customers.

edit: Vicor's website doesn't seem to have any EOL/PCN for these parts, and their product pages still seem to be active, very bizarre. I would contact them directly.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2024, 11:51:42 am by mtwieg »
 

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Re: Why are all Vicor PI3 modules suddenly out of stock or obsolete?
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2024, 09:17:37 pm »
Sorry to hear of the shortage.
But those Vicors are insanely excellent.
I personally wouldnt ever do a product with one, purely because of the nil-stock issue of them.
Some big co's somewhere will be getting them.

You need to be speaking personally with the sales guys, and best if you  can get the US guys to come over and speak to you and promise you stock...otherwise
, assume you wont get any.
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Another point, i am sure you will know about,
is that Vicor's , due to their high Fsw and resonant nature
, allow you to produce really small , superb SMPS solutions. The Vicor,
Sensibly, does not incorporate the in and out filters....we have to add
them. Now...supposing you are making a "general OffTheShelf SMPS", for sale to all takers...
(whoever they are and whatever is their use case)
 .....Then we have no idea what will be the output LC filter of any SMPS that gets cascaded upstream of
it, and no idea of the amount of input capacitance that whatever gets connected to its (..the vicor's)
output will have. We also have no idea if any smps cascaded up or downstream of it
will have a control loop frequency close  to that of the vicor.
As such....using a vicor in
this situation, may not be particularly great...because to "honour" all these occurrences,
you will need to use a big output capacitor bank both upstream and downstream of the vicor...
..and as such, it doesnt have a small filter...so you loose all your "small size advantages"
...and in this case....the vicor module is no longer quite as wonderful for you....and in fact,
probably cheaper to just use whatever standard solution involving paralleled dicrete stages
etc etc.

So as you know, the moral of the story is....a small, high frequency switching module,
may not result in a particularly small overall solution...a cheaper discrete solution using much
lower Fsw may be just about the same size as the vicor solution.

High frequency switchers, with their (often) super high control loop bandwidth, can be a problem....
....the input filter must always have a Zout which is <0.1(f[control loop])....and that means there's
a wide range of frequency there where you will have to be sure no LC input filter resonances mean a high Z peak...
..which would cause instability in  the switcher........often, its better to have a low control loop frequency so that
there is less chance that whatever gets connected upstream doesnt bring about input filter based instability.

If an LC gets connected upstream of an SMPS module, and its (the LC filter's) F(resonance) is 5kHz say, then a smps with a control loop bandwidth
of 8khz may go unstable due to that...but a smps with a 1kHz bandwidth wont even "see" the 5kHz...and wont go unstable due to it.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2024, 04:51:36 pm by Faringdon »
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Re: Why are all Vicor PI3 modules suddenly out of stock or obsolete?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2024, 07:08:57 am »
The Vicor modules seem "stable enough" in terms of inrush current and availability. The text you just posted is full of generalizations that don't seem to add up.

I don't know what's going on at Vicor, but it seems odd that a product regularly stocked in the thousands at multiple distributors would suddenly evaporate.
 

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Re: Why are all Vicor PI3 modules suddenly out of stock or obsolete?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2024, 11:34:34 am »
You have contacted your local Apps Guy from VicorPower?.
I find with Vicor you need to do that.
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Re: Why are all Vicor PI3 modules suddenly out of stock or obsolete?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2024, 08:15:42 pm »
What I'm hearing is that some kind of recertification process has their fab down for almost a year. Extremely disappointing.
 
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