Anyone here saponify motherboards ?

[soldar]

And I could not resist to post extra comment:

- Actually: I don't care about the word used - really
- I think a lawyer would happily waste (lot) time on this
- I only care about having cost/effective guidelines.
- ditch the words to the proper potty.

well probably other folks thinks that line is best as well

More results...
much less fuss and words - that amuse lawyers 

You are very wrong in this. Agreeing on the meaning of words is essential when trying to communicate and you are not doing a very good job of communicating. You need to explain better what you are trying to do. As has been explained, it is not the same trying to clean an old board which is just dirty with grime than removing flux residue after working on a board. You need to explain what exactly you are trying to do. You say you are trying to "saponify" and when asked for clarification you say you want to do what you saw some guy do in a video but you cannot remember the video or where you saw it. You are not making yourself clear and it is difficult to offer help in that case. Maybe you are just trying to make bubbles to amuse your daughter?

Please explain clearly so that everyone can inderstand what ou are trying to do.

Or, you can always subreflush the capterizer in ionimating profluid. I find that always helps.

[PKTKS]

Don't bother.. just a word joke. 

I am looking in particular for cost effective UltraSonic
higher volume solutions.

Name not relevant but brand certainly will impact cost
As the  water based solutions are cheaper
so will be  the "detergent" ones

Question still is if they worth the economic hassle ?
or a ready made gallon will be more cost effective in such volumes


Paul

[forrestc]

I am looking in particular for cost effective UltraSonic
higher volume solutions.

But to clean what residue and from what type of boards?   Is this to just get dirt off?  If so, there are lots of useable options.

If it's to remove rework residue it gets a lot less straightforward.

[PKTKS]

But to clean what residue and from what type of boards?   Is this to just get dirt off?  If so, there are lots of useable options.

If it's to remove rework residue it gets a lot less straightforward.

Thanks for the reply

Actually there is a wide spectrum of residues.

Foremost the boards are already serviced so there is
and there will be different kind of flux residues.

ROSIN based or NOCLEAN (I even use NOCLEAN to wipe
or wash or "rinse" or soap... whatever... ) after
removing dirt (whatever means necessary) the left
residues are that classic mixture off odds.

there are fat like, grease like, moisture like even insect
decomposition .. wide range like ELCO leakage

but mostly, really mostly:
- FLUX residues
- CORROSION residues (with the cleaning left over)

the bath is important there is no alternative
but the solution itself in greater volumes can be re-thinked

IPA is expensive
BRAND ones (like BRANSON, etc) are certainly expensive...

then came to me that idea of rinse, saponify, soap.. whatever..
DETERGENT like ...  distilled water of course.

Dry method may also be a problem to consider
I don't have a dry oven of such size which should be
large and carefully temperature aware.

Paul

[PKTKS]

The term itself  is frequently used in some videos explaining the "method"

What videos? Can you link to some? Are they native English speakers?

For the sake of completion I have found one the interesting URIs
which relates to the demonstration of different agents and methods
for cleaning...

I am not sure what dialect it is if Russian, Ukranian, Polish or else..
and although I can map woda to water and identify distilled for sure
the DETERGENT they use is completely unclear...

It would be great to have some subtitles which this video
in particular does not have..

Anyone capable to identify the detergents.. would be a great help

here:  forward to about 9 minutes if you want..


 
Paul

[george.b]

Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are languages, not dialects.

The video doesn't mention anything but distilled water and gentle scrubbing, followed by drying.

We will attempt to clean the board and areas that got wet with distilled water.
Distilled water is inert to electronics and also does well at cleaning many types of residue.
We'll scrub, but with care - so as not to rip out any small and delicate components.
We'll clean out the rest of the water with dissolved residue.
We'll get rid of the remaining moisture with the help of hot air.

No detergents.

[PKTKS]

Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are languages, not dialects.
The video doesn't mention anything but distilled water and gentle scrubbing, followed by drying.

(.)
No detergents.

I have a hard time distinguishing Scandinavian and Slovenian, Slavic ..
they sound pretty much alike and the Macedonian alphabet is
harder than Greek to me.

I have passed their videos some times and others in native english as well..
trying to figure out or spot the mixture used..
they boil down to a mixture of some sort of "saponified" distilled water.

As you quoted above.. none of them ever posts the mixture and proportions
Without that element you would not get that "degrease" and cleaning action
so evident on the scrubbing..

As my goal is to actually replace expensive chemicals in UltaSonic volumes..
that would be the critical information... what agent and what proportion.

Paul