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Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« on: April 05, 2022, 12:21:56 pm »
I recieved a non-functional Burster Resistomat today.
The operation manual is available but no service manual or schematic...
Does anyone have at least a schematic?

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Andreas
 

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Re: Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2022, 09:03:22 pm »
Hi!

I doubt very much you'd be able to get that – unfortunately the German manufacturers of this sort of gear tend to refuse any requests for assistance other than "send it to us and we will quote for it's repair!" – I've tried getting service data for many types of German manufacturers's gear for almost three decades and the response I've quoted above is all I ever got – Hameg was the rare exception, but since R & S took them over you've had it!

What symptoms has it got?

Dead? Display Faults? Display present but measurements inoperative or way out of tolerance?

Chris Williams
« Last Edit: April 06, 2022, 09:07:20 pm by Chris56000 »
It's an enigma that's what it is!! This thing's not fixed because it doesn't want to be fixed!!
 
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Re: Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2022, 01:48:37 pm »
When turned on, the indicator lights flash shortly and the display schows some activity like a few flashing stripes. Backlight doesn't work. No other noticable activities.
The supply for the digital board shows 4.8 volts. I need to measure the analog supply next. I'll hook the digital board to a lab supply next and see if 5.0V would change something...
 

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Re: Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2022, 02:51:42 pm »
Hi!

That's basically the next step to take, but beware, a lot of the integrated circuits in many newer pieces of equipment are NOT 5 V tolerant, so I strongly advise you power it up with +3.3 V first!

Are there any voltage regulators on the digital board you can identify?

The user manual does give the voltages from the internal PSUs, there are two of them, one supplies the instrument main PCB with +24 V, +5 V and –12 V, whilst the second supplies the I/O and processor boards with +5 V and ±15 V supplies!

By the way, is this instrument designed to be firmware upgradable?

Don't rule out the possibility (if it is firmware upgradable) that it might have been bricked by a failed or botched firmware upgrade in the past!

If you can get sunlight on it at the right angle you might be able to see if there's anything intelligible in the way of characters or letters on the LCD!

Otherwise it's just a matter of testing all the supplies on both the analogue and digital boards as far as you can, try and look for the system and microprocessor clocks (bear in mind there may be more than one clock signal in it – i.c. datasheets will help you identify clock pins!), and see if anything's stuck in reset or there's data/address lines either dead or stuck!

This type of modern equipment usually tends to hold calibration in EEPROM or flash memory, so once you've got it to operate, it shouldn't be necessary to recalibrate it – the very high maximum resistance this measures will necessitate calibration by the OEM or a specialist calibration lab with access to a 1 MΩ resistance standard accurate to ±0.01% and a 7.5 digit multimeter!

Chris Williams
« Last Edit: April 07, 2022, 03:17:26 pm by Chris56000 »
It's an enigma that's what it is!! This thing's not fixed because it doesn't want to be fixed!!
 
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Re: Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2022, 03:18:56 pm »
Well, I had good experience contacting BURSTER and receive service information for several of their gear.
So, I would contact them first.
It probably depends on the person you have contact with and a little luck and persistence.
There are 3 kinds of people in this world, those who can count and those who can not.
 
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Re: Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2022, 04:20:24 pm »
That's basically the next step to take, but beware, a lot of the integrated circuits in many newer pieces of equipment are NOT 5 V tolerant, so I strongly advise you power it up with +3.3 V first!

It has 5V marked at the connetor convenienly :).


Are there any voltage regulators on the digital board you can identify?

Can't find one. It is all 74HC logic and datecodes going back to late 1993...


By the way, is this instrument designed to be firmware upgradable?

Classic EPROM by the looks of it.


Don't rule out the possibility (if it is firmware upgradable) that it might have been bricked by a failed or botched firmware upgrade in the past!

Thanks for the hint...

If you can get sunlight on it at the right angle you might be able to see if there's anything intelligible in the way of characters or letters on the LCD!

I'll try that.

Otherwise it's just a matter of testing all the supplies on both the analogue and digital boards as far as you can, try and look for the system and microprocessor clocks (bear in mind there may be more than one clock signal in it – i.c. datasheets will help you identify clock pins!), and see if anything's stuck in reset or there's data/address lines either dead or stuck!

This type of modern equipment usually tends to hold calibration in EEPROM or flash memory, so once you've got it to operate, it shouldn't be necessary to recalibrate it – the very high maximum resistance this measures will necessitate calibration by the OEM or a specialist calibration lab with access to "T  Ω" resistance standards!

Since this instrument won't be used for serious stuff I might cheat the calibration once the thing runs again (hopefully).
For the highest range it uses 1kV which I could relpace with a much lower external voltage and some 5GOhm resistors I have in a drawer.
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Re: Burster Resistomat 2408 Service Manual
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2022, 05:32:02 pm »
Some photos....
 


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