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| tooki:
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 06, 2024, 11:35:38 am --- --- Quote from: tooki on July 05, 2024, 10:57:59 pm --- Repeating your delusions one more time won’t make them any less unreasonable than they were the first time around. :horse: --- End quote --- I believe they aren't delusions, I believe them to be valid points. It's a poor way of arguing to resort to terms like "delusions". --- End quote --- It’s obvious you believe them. But that doesn’t make them valid. A paranoid schizophrenic who is suffering from delusions doesn’t realize they’re delusions, either. Yet objectively, they are. --- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 06, 2024, 11:35:38 am --- --- Quote ---You keep missing the point. You're paying for someone to work on your equipment. --- End quote --- No, no, NO! YOU keep missing the point!!. I am NOT paying for "someone to work on my equipment". What possible value or purpose is there in someone "working on it"? I DON'T WANT YOU WORKING ON IT! I WANT YOU FIXING IT!! Why is this so hard for you to understand? --- End quote --- Please quote others properly. If you have multiple quotes, and only the first contains an author attribution, it is assumed that subsequent quotes are from the same author. In this case, it makes it appear as though I said the “You keep missing the point!” when in fact it is from someone else. Misattributing quotes is a way to get yourself hated hard, fast. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 06, 2024, 02:18:48 pm ---Thanks for your considered reply, @fmashockie. I just want to check how the following scenario works in your mind. I am a bit rubbish at electronics. I have relatively little experience or training. I try to fix things, but I really struggle if I can't find a circuit diagram. Several times I have come across a complex electronic product, and my lack of experience means I cannot identify what each part of a circuit board actually does. I often have to give up on a repair because I just can't work out what is wrong with it. Nevertheless, I rather like the idea of making a living by repairing electronic products. I know I'll do well because I can charge $200 per hour no matter how long it takes me, and I can even charge the same labour rate if I fail to find and fix the fault. So I set myself up as an electronics repair shop. @fmashocie, would you bring a device for me to repair? I doubt it, because you know about electronics and you've read my confession above. How comfortable are you that other people - unsuspecting people - are bringing me stuff to repair, and being charged the same hourly rate as you? Wouldn't you want to warn them against using me? But everything that has been said in this thread implies that I should be allowed to carry on. Me charging $200 per hour is completely fine because you think I should never work for free, even when I'm out of my depth. All I'm expected to do is "work on" the product for that time, even If I'm just poking around with a scope probe and hoping for the best. Is that really OK? I know that you will say "That bloke will soon go out of business", but customers rarely know when they've been ripped off because they weren't able to fix it either. Are you comfortable with me setting up shop a couple of doors away from you and being a competitor? You might say market forces will sort things out, but that can take a long time. I'm putting this argument because it gives an illustration of what is wrong with your preferred business model. According to that model, all labour is valuable and must be paid for, no matter what. No matter how long he takes to do a simple job, and no matter how often he returns an unrepaired item. But honestly, would you REALLY support that guy? I'm just trying to illustrate how questionable your argument is - it takes no account of the real skills a repairer might be offering. --- End quote --- I think it’s been a (perfectly reasonable) assumption that we are all discussing technicians who are: 1. Trained and competent in the type of work they offer 2. Honest Your contrived situations of dishonest, untrained rip-off artists do nothing to validate your point. But they do make you look like a disingenuous crank. |
| fmashockie:
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 06, 2024, 02:18:48 pm ---Thanks for your considered reply, @fmashockie. I just want to check how the following scenario works in your mind. I am a bit rubbish at electronics. I have relatively little experience or training. I try to fix things, but I really struggle if I can't find a circuit diagram. Several times I have come across a complex electronic product, and my lack of experience means I cannot identify what each part of a circuit board actually does. I often have to give up on a repair because I just can't work out what is wrong with it. Nevertheless, I rather like the idea of making a living by repairing electronic products. I know I'll do well because I can charge $200 per hour no matter how long it takes me, and I can even charge the same labour rate if I fail to find and fix the fault. So I set myself up as an electronics repair shop. @fmashocie, would you bring a device for me to repair? I doubt it, because you know about electronics and you've read my confession above. How comfortable are you that other people - unsuspecting people - are bringing me stuff to repair, and being charged the same hourly rate as you? Wouldn't you want to warn them against using me? But everything that has been said in this thread implies that I should be allowed to carry on. Me charging $200 per hour is completely fine because you think I should never work for free, even when I'm out of my depth. All I'm expected to do is "work on" the product for that time, even If I'm just poking around with a scope probe and hoping for the best. Is that really OK? I know that you will say "That bloke will soon go out of business", but customers rarely know when they've been ripped off because they weren't able to fix it either. Are you comfortable with me setting up shop a couple of doors away from you and being a competitor? You might say market forces will sort things out, but that can take a long time. I'm putting this argument because it gives an illustration of what is wrong with your preferred business model. According to that model, all labour is valuable and must be paid for, no matter what. No matter how long he takes to do a simple job, and no matter how often he returns an unrepaired item. But honestly, would you REALLY support that guy? I'm just trying to illustrate how questionable your argument is - it takes no account of the real skills a repairer might be offering. --- End quote --- I'm going to assume you're talking about yourself here and your lack of skills. But if you wanted to do that, then go ahead. Doesn't mean you're going to get continued business or bad reviews. And not because your policy is 'no fix, no fee', it is because you suck at what you do. And like any service you pay for, if you're smart, you research it before you move forward with it. You look at reviews and reputation. Again, here you go using extreme examples to prove your ridiculous point. It's like saying "well it would be preposterous to go sky-diving at all, because there's going to be someone who isn't going to check your parachute beforehand; and for that reason no one should be able to take anyone sky-diving". |
| CatalinaWOW:
I am sorry the troll word offends the OP. I am equally offended by his dismissal of my constructive comments afterward explaining why I said that that word might apply. I agree with the OPs example of an incompetent technician charging for non work being unfair. But as others have pointed out, that is a business model that doesn't survive long and isn't representative of an industry. OP uses the injury lawyer industry as an example of the no win no pay business model. But neglects to mention that that industry charges extremely high rates when winning, typically one third of any awards, and sometimes adding expenses to the fee. It is the reason this industry is called without affection "ambulance chasers" This is exactly the situation discussed earlier where those with successful repairs are amortizing the costs of unsuccessful repairs. |
| SteveThackery:
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on July 06, 2024, 03:07:59 pm ---I am sorry the troll word offends the OP. I am equally offended by his dismissal of my constructive comments afterward explaining why I said that that word might apply. --- End quote --- i haven't dismissed anything! What's wrong with you? I have read carefully every post in this thread and - apart from one - I appreciate them all. As it happens I disagree with most of them, but that is NOT dismissing them! |
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