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| shabaz:
--- Quote from: fzabkar on July 07, 2024, 03:59:26 pm ---The implication of that "subsidy" is that the repairer believes that all customers owe him/her a living. --- End quote --- No, it's not the implication. Think it through. |
| MK14:
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 07, 2024, 08:48:38 am --- --- Quote from: MK14 on July 07, 2024, 04:23:06 am --- It's been tricky for me to reply to your post, but I will try. "Don't be boring by banging on about trolling. It's very tedious. If you've got nothing constructive to say, then please don't say anything. The grown-ups are having a conversation, so don't interrupt." Seems to be accusing me of going or being off-topic. Yet, the rest of your post, seems to be a long political or similar post, with little to do, with the thread topic. If my quick glances at it, indicate correctly. Given that you seem to have the UK flag set, and be talking and trying to sound like someone from the UK. How come, all your prices are in dollars ($), e.g. see the post I just quoted. Is that a Freudian slip-up, or is there another explanation? --- End quote --- I'm sorry for being rude, but it really pisses me off to be accused of being a "troll" when I am no such thing. I am arguing for something I believe in passionately, and every statement I make - including the critical ones - is heartfelt and genuine. So for those who continue to label me as a troll, kindly piss off. The "political" stuff you refer to is completely on-topic. It became clear that the practices most people on the thread find completely normal and acceptable, I find the opposite, and I was wondering if there could be a cultural basis to our different attitudes. You asked about dollars. I got the impression that most people in this debate are American, so I used dollars as a small courtesy. I'm also pissed off by people misrepresenting my position. I am not advocating open-ended working for free. I am putting forward an argument that - just as you sometimes expect the customer to pay for nothing*, sometimes it might be morally appropriate for you to work for nothing. This would be rare, but sometimes fair. (*) And no: the argument that the customer is paying for your labour, not the fruits of your labour, is self-serving and so full of holes it's laughable. I don't feel the need to spell all that out again for you - we've done it to death. I hope that has clarified the matters you raised. And again, I'm sorry for being rude, but I am NOT a fucking troll, and if anyone reading this is tempted to accuse me of such, either piss off or try to read and understand what I am actually advocating. --- End quote --- I think that is a good and robust answer, to my queries. Thanks! As far as I'm aware, we don't have actual evidence of the OP, being a known troll. More suspicions and accusations (me included in that activity as well). So maybe the innocent until proven guilty applies here? I was following this thread, well BEFORE I first posted in it, and I've been unhappy at so many people boo-hewing, this possible business or self-employment model. When a business or someone offers their services. There are all sorts of possible business models, they can follow. Including ones, which offer some of their services, for free. But there can be clever business model sense, in these free offerings, if done right. For example: I'm not sure if it is still offered these days. But some tyre companies, would offer free puncture repair. It worked out (my theory on why), because in many cases, such as for safety reasons. The customer will end up needing a new tyre(s). So, getting them to come round for the free puncture repairs, will often (how often is a very good question?), result in lucrative tyre sales, and maybe other services that company offers, such as Oil Changes etc. Hypothetical scenario: A computer shop, could offer cheap old computer repairs. As they either fix the computer or if it can't be economically fixed, they can sell the customer a new computer, that they sell and also charge for moving all the files from the old computer to the new one. I.e. If done right, a specific business model, can be successful and profitable. Even if it is NOT done right. That maybe how an upcoming self-employed or business, learns from their mistakes and later on improves upon and refines their business model. E.g. Amazon, started out, simple selling books online. They then improved their business model and now sell, just about anything, within reason. |
| coromonadalix:
--- Quote from: PlainName on July 07, 2024, 09:11:57 am --- --- Quote from: coromonadalix on July 07, 2024, 07:20:10 am ---6 pages already ... :palm: --- End quote --- Has Dave implemented some test, based on the contents of this thread, which you have to complete before you can read a different thread? Or can you still just shrug and ignore the entire thing if it's not to your liking? --- End quote --- i would reply it is becoming very sad here to see many threads derailing that way ... and i say many until a mod is called to shut them down trolling, religious, political .... yada yada this and that do you "some of you members, whom the hat fits" re-read all ?? where some here took everything so personal, and get flustered very easily ..... the pay by hour ....... is not how it works in majority NOW, not happy, do it your self, or go elsewhere, if you work by tariff it's plug and play parts and voila ... but to do so, you did work hours and establish your tarifs rates .... SIMPLE AS THAT now this thread too became stupid, and people wont simply stop ... BECAUSE THEY CANT, ITS BECOME PERSONAL now the signal is if we put aside "some or many serious threads with lots of pages" IS WHEN I SEE LOTS OF PAGES OF A REALLY NEW THREAD I"LL SIMPLY SKIP IT EEVBLOG IS BECOMMING DARKER |
| Gyro:
I can't understand how this thread has stretched to 7 pages. I get fed up with people thinking my (or other peoples') skills have no value, including my neighbors who seen to think that my time (and component stock) are free. As long as the repairer makes clear to the customer their terms of business, and the customer agrees to them, I can't see why there can be any problem. They form a binding contract to that effect. It doesn't matter what the repairer's charging model is as long as the customer agrees. Whether that charging model includes a fixed hourly charge, free first hour, no repair - no fee, or some other model is totally irrelevant. Until a contract is formed. The customer has the option of deciding that the cost and conditions are not worth their while and walk away. The repairer also has the option of declining to accept an item for repair. :-// |
| SteveThackery:
--- Quote from: tooki on July 07, 2024, 03:31:19 pm ---We have acknowledged repeatedly that some service providers do choose that model, and explained to you the ramifications of that model, including how it is unfair to the customers whose repairs subsidize the “no fix, no fee” customers. --- End quote --- That's clever! But they don't. The repairer subsidises the no fix/no fee. The repairer goes home a little bit poorer that day, and that's how it should be. The repairer's labour rate is either competitive or the customers go elsewhere. |
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