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SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: Smokey on July 04, 2024, 07:27:05 pm ---Hmmmm..  a user who makes wacky posts and then proceeds to argue with everyone while also liking every post....
Doesn't that sound familiar.....   F...  Fa...  Fai..... Fair....

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Sorry - I have no idea what this alludes to.
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: David Aurora on July 04, 2024, 11:53:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Smokey on July 04, 2024, 07:27:05 pm ---Hmmmm..  a user who makes wacky posts and then proceeds to argue with everyone while also liking every post....
Doesn't that sound familiar.....   F...  Fa...  Fai..... Fair....

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I'm 98% convinced at this point that this is what's going on here. Nobody is this fucking stupid, it has to be a wind up. And if the dunce cap fits...

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I am - I am this fucking stupid, apparently. It's no wind-up.
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: fmashockie on July 04, 2024, 06:50:42 pm ---Final observation: the fact that you are calling the people in this thread sociopaths as you continue to 'like' every post made in opposition to you is also ironic.

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It is not ironic!  "Liking" a post is my way of saying "thank you" to everyone who takes the time to contribute. And I am genuinely grateful, regardless of how vigorously we disagree. 

By the way, I didn't call anyone here a sociopath. I said that sociopaths "might feel comfortable" with the behaviour I was referring to because it showed a lack of empathy with the customer.  It's a way of drawing attention to what seems to me like extraordinary behaviour.

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There is arrogance in this thread, but it has a singular source, and that source is you.
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Wow! I don't believe I have shown any arrogance at all, but maybe we define arrogance differently.  I think there HAS been A LOT of arrogance and lack of empathy from the professional repairers in this thread.  For example, the very thought that a technician might sometimes end up doing work without pay fills them with horror and outrage, but they cannot seem to understand that this is EXACTLY ANALOGOUS to the customer paying money and getting nothing back.  The latter is fine, apparently, but not the former.

I know exactly what my opponents are going to say: "They aren't getting nothing back, they're getting half a day of my highly skilled work".  At which point I remind you of this, which I have been saying consistently from the beginning. 

NOBODY WANTS TO BUY YOUR LABOUR, THEY WANT TO BUY THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOUR!  AND IF THERE ARE NO FRUITS, WHAT ARE YOU CHARGING THEM FOR?


--- Quote ---Also, you keep using the analogy of an appliance.  You're discussing this with people who are mainly talking about the component level repair of PCBs.  Boards that generally don't have schematics available or have parts that have become obsolete.  It is a big difference. 

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My use of the term "appliance" was just a generic term to refer to anything that needs fixing, in the context of this thread anything electronic.  It isn't an analogy.

I can't let the absurd claim that the only arrogance in this thread is from me. I'll show you plenty of examples later on.  Meanwhile, what's this "F... Fa... Fai" thing all about?
David_AVD:
Nope. The customer doesn't always expect a simple pay money = fixed item. Customers often want an honest assessment and expect to pay for it. That's my experience anyway.
DeepLink:

--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 05, 2024, 08:38:21 am ---NOBODY WANTS TO BUY YOUR LABOUR, THEY WANT TO BUY THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABOUR!  AND IF THERE ARE NO FRUITS, WHAT ARE YOU CHARGING THEM FOR?

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My employer does it every day, he pays me by the hour for developing "the big next thing the world can't live without"
If I fail, I still get paid
If I succeeds, I get paid and he get rich
He takes some risk 
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