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Title: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: RayRay on August 15, 2024, 10:49:30 pm
Hey guys.
I'm trying to figure out the windings/coils of a custom made PCB transformer from the device's schematic (attached, T2) so I could do a basic resistance test, but it seems a bit confusing as it implies that it has 12 pins when it only has 11 (one side has 6 in a row, where the other has 5 with the first pin having a lot of space from the other 4). How would you interpret the schematic? (again, it's T2 in it) Thanks.
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: ledtester on August 15, 2024, 10:57:51 pm
but it seems a bit confusing as it implies that it has 12 pins when it only has 11

It's the pin positions that are numbered - not the actual physical pins. That is, you don't skip any pin numbers just because the physical pin isn't present.

So there is another pin position where that first pin has a lot of space between it and the other 4.
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: IanB on August 15, 2024, 11:03:42 pm
If I count the connections shown on the schematic, there seem to be 11 of them (6 on the left side, 5 on the right side).

However, the numbering seems weird, with two connections labeled "1" and two connections labeled "11".

So I don't know what's going on there.

Have you got the PCB? Can you match up the pin positions to the PCB tracks and figure out what goes where?
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: boB on August 15, 2024, 11:19:03 pm
Bobbins with non-equal pins on one side vs the other, like you have here is typical to count going round in a circle like an IC pin count.

From what I have seen personally, pin 1  should be the 1 where those two clocking pins are non-uniformly spaced.  The other side of the bobbin being uniform.

You can verify this with your Ohm Meter I would think.

boB
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: RayRay on August 15, 2024, 11:23:52 pm
Still not sure what to make of it. Should I ignore the ones marked with a red X?
Should I treat the numbers as the coils themselves (I.E pins 3-4 and pins 1-5 each being a coil?)
And yeah, it's definitely odd that both 1 & 11 show up twice.

Have you got the PCB? Can you match up the pin positions to the PCB tracks and figure out what goes where?
Of course. And I've desoldered the said transformer for testing purposes.
The first pin is indicated on on the PCB (it's on the side with the 5 pins, and it has considerable amount of spacing to the other 4)
The side with the 6 pins is the one that goes to that dual cathode diode (ER1620CT)
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: IanB on August 15, 2024, 11:31:35 pm
So, from the PCB tracks you know connections "9", "11,0" and "7" on the right. You also know "1" and "5" on the left. Presumably "3" and "4" are shorted? So all that's left are "1" and "6" on the left, and "11" and "12" on the right. If they are unconnected, do you care about them?
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: RayRay on August 16, 2024, 12:00:59 am
My results are

pins 1-6 (no connection, they're also marked with a red X on the schematic)
pins 3-4 * 0.2 OHMs
pins 1-5 * no connection

pins 7-9-10-11 are suppose to be all connected, but got nothing between em
pins 7-10 * no connection
pins 10-11 * no connection
pins 11-9 * no connection

If I properly interperted the schematics, I guess it means it's defective, but some confirmation would be welcome
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: ledtester on August 16, 2024, 02:38:21 am
I believe the red X's just mean they are not connected to the PCB but there should still be a winding between 1 and 6 and between 11 and 12.

Are you sure about the pinout of the transformer - ie how do you know which is pin 1?
Title: Re: Decoding transformer windings from schematics, need a bit of help!
Post by: m k on August 16, 2024, 07:04:38 am
https://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/441353 (https://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/441353)