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EU Right to Repair
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wraper:

--- Quote from: Haenk on July 08, 2024, 11:43:25 am ---I think we will see an even further move to standardized parts - within one company, of course. There really is no need to rush out new models of a dishwasher every 6 months, still companies prefer to do that, until now. Now the stockpiling of spare parts will be so expensive they likely will reduce the number of "pseudo-new" products by a lot.

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There is no old/new part compatibility problem in dishwashers beside circuit boards. Pumps, sensors, gaskets, tray wheels remain the same for many years.
wraper:

--- Quote from: Haenk on July 08, 2024, 11:43:25 am ---Still they could construct those things to be never ever repaired, like my Bosch (?) washing mashine. No removable panels, no screws, everything held together tightly by enourmous springs, which I didn't dare to touch.

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What enormous springs? Springs that hold the the drum unit? What screws, do you want drum unit to be bolted to the enclosure so machine jumps above the floor every time it does a spin cycle? What removable panels do you need when basically everything can be accessed from the top, back/front  :palm:. Also unless drum unit front and back plastic housings are welded together (usually in cheap machines) it can be taken apart and repaired too.

fmashockie:

--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 07, 2024, 07:49:48 pm ---Colleagues!

Has "right to repair" legislation affected you to any significant extent?

I ask because I live in Britain and we are broadly following the EU rules, and I'm struck by how toothless they are.  For example, spares need only be available for seven to ten years after a product's market introduction. This seems a ridiculously short time.  I own three cars and all are older than 20 years.  In fact, I'd very much want all my household appliances to last at least 20 years.

Also, it seems that data and documentation need only be made available to "repair professionals". This is a massive blow for me because I'm a hobbiest repairer in several fields but a professional in none. I've hardly ever used a professional repairer and I don't want to start now because of the costs.

I expect the argument to support that position is that many products have a safety element involved, especially electrical items. But now I'm left wondering how a "professional repairer" would be evaluated for their skills and qualifications relating to electrical work.  Have any of you been through such a process?

Here in Europe right-to-repair seems a great idea, but in practice probably won't make all that much difference.  It seems obvious to me that repairs are the very last thing product manufacturers want; they want to sell you a new one, every time, if they can.

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Huge proponent of right to repair.  It would be ideal if we could collectively come together a society and agree that the current way of doing things isn't working.  In the same way we feel about climate change (look how well that is going).  Because the two are related.  And at this point, it is not only the manufacturers' fault: consumers don't care to repair their devices and only want the next latest/greatest thing; manufacturers recognize this and continue to make their items more difficult to repair.  It is a bit of a chicken or the egg situation.  I'm not sure which came first. 

Parts should be made available, schematics/service manuals as well.  It's not like we are asking the manufacturers to do something they've never done before.  They used to.  And then they stopped.  So personally, I don't care if they have to keep a replacement part stocked for 20 years.  If they stopped making a new dishwasher as someone said every 6 months, this wouldn't be all that hard!  And again, that is where the consumer's role comes in in all this. 
wraper:

--- Quote from: fmashockie on July 08, 2024, 12:22:03 pm ---They used to.  And then they stopped.  So personally, I don't care if they have to keep a replacement part stocked for 20 years. If they stopped making a new dishwasher as someone said every 6 months, this wouldn't be all that hard!  And again, that is where the consumer's role comes in in all this.

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If you want washing machine parts stocked for 20 years, you should not care paying 1.5x for a machine as well. IMO parts and especially schematics should be available to the public but 20 years is ridiculous and does not come for free.
fmashockie:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 12:29:31 pm ---If you want washing machine parts stocked for 20 years, you should not care paying 1.5x for a machine as well. IMO parts and especially schematics should be available to the public but 20 years is ridiculous and does not come for free.

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I'd have no problem paying more for a washer that is going to last 20 years vs one that will last 5 years.  I think most people would agree on that.  Now getting them to understand that at time of purchase, is another matter.  And in fact, if you're someone who looks for reliability/longevity in things you buy, you're probably already used to paying more, because companies that make things last are generally using better parts which are more expensive.

Look, asking to keep a part stocked for 20 years isn't a ridiculous thing.  My toyota is pushing 20 years and I can still get all the parts for it from Toyota. I work as a lab engineer and even a lot of lab equipment manufacturers do this (and they are huge offenders of right to repair in general).  Do I think there should be laws that state a part needs to be stocked that long?  I'm not sure.  What I'm advocating for is a change we all need to make as individuals.  And it would be better if it occurred without any laws.  But if we want to talk about laws, I'd push for laws that make service manuals/schematics available.  Those documents already exist; they just need to make them available to the public.
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