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EU Right to Repair
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wraper:

--- Quote from: fmashockie on July 08, 2024, 12:37:27 pm ---Look, asking to keep a part stocked for 20 years isn't a ridiculous thing.  My toyota is pushing 20 years and I can still get all the parts for it from Toyota. I work as a lab engineer and even a lot of lab equipment manufacturers do this (and they are huge offenders of right to repair in general).  Do I think there should be laws that state a part needs to be stocked that long?  I'm not sure.  What I'm advocating for is a change we all need to make as individuals.  And it would be better if it occurred without any laws.  But if we want to talk about laws, I'd push for laws that make service manuals/schematics available.  Those documents already exist; they just need to make them available to the public.

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They may keep some parts for 20 years because not that many are needed, it's not something that goes obsolete (like bearings) and they don't take that much space. But requirement for storing parts would need them keeping a full stock of parts for 20 years with no prior knowledge how much of what actually will be needed.

--- Quote ---I work as a lab engineer and even a lot of lab equipment manufacturers do this (and they are huge offenders of right to repair in general).
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In this field IME they have the stock of parts for 1-2 decades until eventually they run out of more and more parts.
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: Arhigos on July 08, 2024, 09:53:04 am ---
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 07, 2024, 07:49:48 pm ---This seems a ridiculously short time.  I own three cars and all are older than 20 years.  In fact, I'd very much want all my household appliances to last at least 20 years.

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How businesses suppose to make it happen?

They should keep warehouses full of obsolete items for 20 years? And what if they run out of that part? They should provide you a free replacement?  :wtf:

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So what do you think is a reasonable time? 10 years? 5 years? Choose a number, and then justify it to us.

If we want to reduce e-waste, then logically the higher the number the better.
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 11:07:18 am ---Try writing that into a law in a way so it does not backfire spectacularly.

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But that is exactly what the legislators are trying to do.  Do you disagree with the attempt to reduce e-waste?
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 12:29:31 pm ---...... 20 years is ridiculous and does not come for free.

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Nobody said it should come for free.  I think products are too cheap, and that encourages our throw-away society.  And yet I can see how complicated it might be to guarantee repairability - the longer, the more difficult.

If you think 20 years is ridiculous (and you'd be in good company), tell us a non-ridiculous number and then justify it.
nali:
Keeping spares for 20 years is going to be at a massive cost - either in the cost of the spare part, or the cost of new product.

I used to work for Panasonic (Matsushita) in the 1990s whose policy then was spares support for 7 years. Their spares holding ran into the tens of thousands of line items, all individually packaged and maintained. That along with the downward trend in new product prices is why a new circuit board for your 5 year old widget costs more than buying a new widget.
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