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SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 01:03:40 pm ---I disagree with creating more and more feel good regulations by politicians with no clue of how things actually work. Many things that sound well are absolutely terrible in practice. 

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This sounds defeatist to me.  Anyone can think of a hundred reasons not to do something.  The smart people do it anyway.

I know that sounds glib, but I'm trying to illustrate how we need a new way of thinking if we're going to reduce waste:

1/ "It's a bad idea, it probably can't work, and anyway it would cost a fortune."

2/ We are going to reduce waste.  It won't be cheap and it won't be easy, but we are smart people who can achieve almost anything. Bring me a list of "impossibles" and let's just see how many we can turn into "possibles".  For the rest, we'll find workarounds."

I know it's easy to say, but when I worked in R&D that was pretty much the ethos. It requires us to adopt a different mind-set: "Other people said it can't be done. We don't have that luxury."

Of course, "do it anyway" may well involve some seriously lateral thinking. It may - rarely - be literally beyond our ability. But I betcha that'll be single digit percentages.  A different ethos, a different starting point, can release extraordinary creativity.
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 01:11:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 08, 2024, 12:56:08 pm ---If you think 20 years is ridiculous (and you'd be in good company), tell us a non-ridiculous number and then justify it.

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As I said above, there is no fits all number. Say who in hell needs 20 year old RAM for the price as when it was produced when it's basically worthless?

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I don't think we said the price has to be the same, did we?  Maybe it does - I happily stand corrected.  We can all think of reasons why it's a bad idea; now let's put as much effort into making it a good idea.
wraper:

--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 08, 2024, 01:31:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 01:11:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 08, 2024, 12:56:08 pm ---If you think 20 years is ridiculous (and you'd be in good company), tell us a non-ridiculous number and then justify it.

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As I said above, there is no fits all number. Say who in hell needs 20 year old RAM for the price as when it was produced when it's basically worthless?

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I don't think we said the price has to be the same, did we?  Maybe it does - I happily stand corrected.  Just because we can all think of examples of why it's a bad idea, how about we put as much effort into making it a good idea?

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If you need to stock a part that quickly deprecates in value, you still paid the original price for the part. Them selling it for current market price would mean taking a huge loss. Do you think manufacturer wants subsidizing your repair of some old garbage they want you to get rid of and buy a new thing from them to begin with?
SteveThackery:

--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 01:36:02 pm ---If you need to stock a part that quickly deprecates in value, you still paid the original price for the part. Them selling it for current market price would mean taking a huge loss. Do you think manufacturer wants subsidizing your repair of some old garbage they want you to get rid of and buy a new thing from them to begin with?

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Yes, that is the argument.

But let me ask you: what would you do about reducing waste?
wraper:

--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 08, 2024, 01:38:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: wraper on July 08, 2024, 01:36:02 pm ---If you need to stock a part that quickly deprecates in value, you still paid the original price for the part. Them selling it for current market price would mean taking a huge loss. Do you think manufacturer wants subsidizing your repair of some old garbage they want you to get rid of and buy a new thing from them to begin with?

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Yes, that is the argument.

But let me ask you: what would you do about reducing waste?

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As I already said, are you ready to pay 1.5x for the device so manufacturer would keep parts in stock for 20 years? I somehow doubt you'd pay even 10% extra for that.
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