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| fmashockie:
--- Quote from: fzabkar on July 08, 2024, 03:43:01 pm --- --- Quote from: fmashockie on July 08, 2024, 03:36:54 pm ---I have a theory: I think SteveThackery is an operative hired by a conglomerate of electronic device manufacturers, sent in to infiltrate the EEV blog and disrupt the forum by starting charged discussions in the 'Repair' forum (these threads he started really belong in different forum IMO) to thwart the process of members helping one another repair their devices. Instead, we spend our time arguing with him in these threads which falls in line perfectly with his plan... --- End quote --- You need to chill. Steve's discussions are perfectly valid. In fact, if you intend to embark on your new career path, Right to Repair will be a big thing in your favour. --- End quote --- Relax. It was a joke. Already stated I am a huge proponent of right to repair and agree with him in this case. Still doesn't change the fact that these are topic that belong in a different forum. |
| SteveThackery:
--- Quote from: fmashockie on July 08, 2024, 03:36:54 pm ---I have a theory: I think SteveThackery is an operative hired by a conglomerate of electronic device manufacturers, sent in to infiltrate the EEV blog and disrupt the forum by starting charged discussions in the 'Repair' forum (these threads he started really belong in different forum IMO) to thwart the process of members helping one another repair their devices. Instead, we spend our time arguing with him in these threads which falls in line perfectly with his plan... --- End quote --- 😂😂 Brilliant! If only I had such power and influence! I used this forum because it is populated by people who do repairs, so we are likely to see some well-informed arguments instead of the bee-in-my-bonnet drivel from the keyboard warriors and blowhards that occupy some of the "general talking shop" forums. I honestly do think R2R is relevant to many here, because the EU is definitely pushing that debate forwards towards legislation. And who can blame them? If you don't support R2R, what would you do to reduce e-waste? |
| SteveThackery:
--- Quote from: AndyC_772 on July 08, 2024, 03:57:32 pm --- This whole idea is completely dead in the water from day one, sorry. It's a legacy hangover from the days when electronics were built out of 74LS logic and 555 timers, totally inapplicable to anything even remotely current. Device manufacturers have to be able to innovate; to produce parts that aren't just the same as the generic ones that other companies are also making. Making something better than what has gone before means it's not the same any more. It's no longer interchangeable with competitors' parts, and that's perfectly OK - it's how technological progress is made. --- End quote --- Yep - in line with the arguments put so far. But if you accept that Western governments want to crack down on e-waste, what alternative approaches would you suggest? I want to emphasise - this is not a baited question. It's an issue we will all have to deal with sooner or later. |
| fmashockie:
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 08, 2024, 04:07:38 pm --- --- Quote from: fmashockie on July 08, 2024, 03:36:54 pm ---I have a theory: I think SteveThackery is an operative hired by a conglomerate of electronic device manufacturers, sent in to infiltrate the EEV blog and disrupt the forum by starting charged discussions in the 'Repair' forum (these threads he started really belong in different forum IMO) to thwart the process of members helping one another repair their devices. Instead, we spend our time arguing with him in these threads which falls in line perfectly with his plan... --- End quote --- 😂😂 Brilliant! If only I had such power and influence! I used this forum because it is populated by people who do repairs, so we are likely to see some well-informed arguments instead of the bee-in-my-bonnet drivel from the keyboard warriors and blowhards that occupy some of the "general talking shop" forums. I honestly do think R2R is relevant to many here, because the EU is definitely pushing that debate forwards towards legislation. And who can blame them? If you don't support R2R, what would you do to reduce e-waste? --- End quote --- I'm kidding with you Steve I'm glad you saw that :-+. But it is a topic that needs much discussion. I was only nitpicking at this point that it should be a discussion held in a separate forum. I'm in much agreement with you here. I'm also glad you draw attention to the amount of waste we cause with our current practices. I feel this point is left out of so many discussions on climate change. You have manufacturers boasting how 'green' they are, while they contribute directly and indirectly to tons of waste by being in direct opposition of R2R. I'm just not sure how to handle the parts situation. Schematics/service manuals: that law should be changed to make those available to the public, not just repair professionals. But the parts thing is a bit trickier. At least from a legislation standpoint. |
| AndyC_772:
--- Quote from: SteveThackery on July 08, 2024, 04:12:35 pm ---Yep - in line with the arguments put so far. But if you accept that Western governments want to crack down on e-waste, what alternative approaches would you suggest? --- End quote --- You can't legislate for what specific components may, or may not, be used in a design purely based on how many competing suppliers make each one; I think that's fairly obvious. I think I'd go so far as to say you can't legislate on how the design should be at all, save for meeting certain criteria such as EMC and safety regulations being met, or the battery being replaceable by the end user. The first thing I would do is introduce mandatory repairability scores at the point of sale, on certain types of apparatus that make up the bulk of e-waste by weight. They've done this already in France and it seems to be working. People like to have this information to help them make an informed purchasing choice, and it's not something that's readily available prior to purchase otherwise. Have a read: https://www.ifixit.com/News/80361/ifixit-vs-french-repairability-score |
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