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| floobydust:
Going after Hakko- it's seems like a bullshit political tactic, from a consumer cost point of view. Ain't nobody crying over their busted Hakko, which is actually quite rare due to their high quality. Go after the big fish that are gouging households instead of catering to Mr. Big Corp. Appliance manufacturers and their repair costs are terrible. We need access to the diagnostic codes. People can't afford a couple grand for a new washer or dryer or stove because Mr. Ripoff Repair Co. wants 1/3 the price of the entire machine just to look at it. That's just one example. |
| abeyer:
--- Quote from: KG7AMV on November 20, 2024, 02:22:54 pm ---They are required to make available Schematics, And the manufacture has schematics that almost guaranteed they designed and made the thing! If they did not should be disclosed who did so they can be obtained. There is no requirement for them to make a component level repair guide Just provide the documentation/tools listed. --- End quote --- I'm not certain that's true... I think they have a reasonable argument that they may have schematics, but if they don't do any component level repair and just replace boards, then the schematics aren't used "for purposes of effecting the services of diagnosis, maintenance, or repair." They'd clearly have to provide whatever testpoints, procedures, diagnostic criteria, etc... they use to make the decision to replace a board, but I'm not certain the way the law is written they'd be required to provide a schematic in that case, even if they had one. |
| abeyer:
--- Quote from: floobydust on November 20, 2024, 06:05:11 pm ---Going after Hakko- it's seems like a bullshit political tactic, from a consumer cost point of view. Ain't nobody crying over their busted Hakko, which is actually quite rare due to their high quality. Go after the big fish that are gouging households instead of catering to Mr. Big Corp. Appliance manufacturers and their repair costs are terrible. We need access to the diagnostic codes. People can't afford a couple grand for a new washer or dryer or stove because Mr. Ripoff Repair Co. wants 1/3 the price of the entire machine just to look at it. --- End quote --- It could also be a legal tactic... going after a small to mid-sized company that you expect to fight you in court rather than settle, but that doesn't have a massive bankroll and army of lawyers, is a less expensive way to get precedent on the court's interpretation of the law. That can save money in the long run if you have that when you go after the big fish. |
| KG7AMV:
I had many conversations with The VP Chris Stuber, they have schematics and firmware they just don't want to release them. |
| floobydust:
OK I understand. Sorry I missed that it's your lab. Maybe an NDA or something would alleviate their "fears"? But whaaaa lawyers cost money whaaa excuse. I'm assuming they think you're going to steal their technology and make million $. That is the main excuse they use because they want to sell new, and not support fixing old. Just being obstinate. I see many companies adopt this stance. Then I would file complaints because I think owners have the right to repair, regardless of excuse/reason not to. Gov't, lawyers, exec's don't know what object code firmware or a schematic is, compared to a source or CAD file. There are entire buildings full of people dedicated to doing reverse-engineering in shenzhen. I forgot their hourly rate. TV showed on a particular floor they also copy famous paintings, clothes etc. The scale of it was a jaw dropper. Anything is fair game to be copied, tech stolen. Probably already has been done, if the products are of any value to that nation. |
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