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Offline gaurav279

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Hi Folks...
I have an pretty antique Chinese Match Box sized Radio which is based on majorly 2 Transistors BC548 and 495 with 3 resistors,4 ceramic disc capacitors,1no 33uF Electrolytic Capacitor,2 diodes,all mounted on a 3.5 cms x 1.6 cms small PCB,with a mono headphone jack
This radio works on a 1.5 Volt AA size battery
I am looking for an IFT COIL for this radio which broke accidentally
Its a 2 legged Small Vertical Ferrite Bead with very thin copper wire wound on it with several turns and the same was mounted on this PCB
I tried searching the same everywhere in my city,couldn't find it
Can any body suggest me any substitute part/coil or suggest me where I could find a Circuit Diagram of this particular radio.

For your kind reference I am enclosing some close snapshorts of the PCB Top and the Back view,the list of Parts used in this Radio and the overall Radio Body as it looks from Outside.

I request you'll to please have a look at the same and kindly advise me if you can figure out the approximate value of this small MW Inductor coil used in this mini Match Box Radio.I can then probably replace the same with small resistor type inductor and make these 2 radios working.

Any suggestion would be of a great help.

The Parts List for your reference is as below -
Resistors (All 1/4 watt)
R1 = 10 K
R2 = 680 ohm
R3 = 33 K

Capacitors
C1,C2,C3 = 0.01 uF ceramic disc
C4 = 470 pF ceramic disc
C5 = 33uH, 16V Electrolytic

Transistors
T1 = BC 548 B
T2 = 495 C

Diodes
D1,D2 = 4148 B
Miscellaneous Parts
MW Gang Condensor - 1
MW Antenna Coil - 1
Small Ferrite Rod for Antenna - 1
EP Socket mono - 1
1.5 V Battery Holder /Snapper - 1
MW IFT Coil Inductor with 2 legs - 1 (this is the one of which we need to find the Value of ...)
 

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That is not an IFT (IF transformer), but probably just a choke, this radio has no IF stage.
Can you post a picture of the part? Otherwise just try something that looks similar, good chance that it will just work.
If not, draw a diagram, can't be that hard to do.
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Being a 2 transistor radio it will be a TRF or regenerative - not a superhet.

Therefore there'll be no intermediate frequency.

The inductor will therefore resonate with the variable capacitor on the frequency of the desired station (between 0.5 - 1.6 MHz).

You could measure the variable capacitor's minimum and maximum value and work it out from there (there are LC & frequency calculators online eg http://www.deephaven.co.uk/lc.html ).

Very roughly it will be in the hundreds of microhenries region depending on the size of the variable capacitor (20 - 200pF is an approximate range).

As a starting point I'd be buying 220, 330 and 470 uH RF chokes (they're cheap) and experimenting with those. 
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The inductor will therefore resonate with the variable capacitor on the frequency of the desired station (between 0.5 - 1.6 MHz).

I disagree, the tuning part is the ferrite and the variable cap, I strongly suspect the coil to be a choke to block RF and/or the regenerative signal.
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The inductor will therefore resonate with the variable capacitor on the frequency of the desired station (between 0.5 - 1.6 MHz).

I disagree, the tuning part is the ferrite and the variable cap, I strongly suspect the coil to be a choke to block RF and/or the regenerative signal.

Yes, especially as the ferrite rod will serve this purpose.  Then its value won't be as critical and something around 1 to 2.5 mH should be OK. 
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Guys thanks a lot for your posts in support of my query.
Can anyone figure out the Circuit Diagram of this Small Matchbox Radio so that we can then easily trace the missing RF Choke's Value from the Schematic Diagram...
 

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Can anyone figure out the Circuit Diagram of this Small Matchbox Radio so that we can then easily trace the missing RF Choke's Value from the Schematic Diagram...

It's not rocket science to draw the circuit diagram from the PCB, so why don't you give it a try?
If you have problems doing that please tell us what problems you see and we will be glad to clarify things for you.
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That is not an IFT (IF transformer), but probably just a choke, this radio has no IF stage.
Can you post a picture of the part? Otherwise just try something that looks similar, good chance that it will just work.
If not, draw a diagram, can't be that hard to do.

Please find an image of the Inductor Choke which I am looking for this particular Match Box Radio...
The one in the Top Left Corner is much close to the one...
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The one in the Top Right Corner is much close to the one...

So find one that looks like that and try?
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I have tried a lot but no such parts are available for this Vintage Types Radio in the place I live (India).
Also I am not that technical Geek to trace the circuit diagram of this Radio...Any suggestions please
 

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Are there any numbers printed on the top of the choke??
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If the parts are not available what exactly do you want us to tell you, how you can make your own?
What is left of the original choke? Maybe it can be fixed or it would at least give us a clue about what it looks like...
So again, any pictures of the original one?
And: "I have tried a lot", do you mean that you have tested the circuit replacing the original coil with others? What was the result?
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NO not at all ...it was just this simple choke...with thin copper winding around
 

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NO not at all ...it was just this simple choke...with thin copper winding around

Sorry, Maybe it is a language barrier but I fail to see what you want.
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Offline gaurav279

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NO not at all ...it was just this simple choke...with thin copper winding around

Sorry, Maybe it is a language barrier but I fail to see what you want.

My reply was to AF6LJ...I meant that there were no numbers printed on the Inductor that I broke accidently...
 

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NO not at all ...it was just this simple choke...with thin copper winding around

Sorry, Maybe it is a language barrier but I fail to see what you want.

My reply was to AF6LJ...I meant that there were no numbers printed on the Inductor that I broke accidently...

Just wondering....

There isn't much of a radio there, What did it receive?
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NO not at all ...it was just this simple choke...with thin copper winding around

What frequency was this radio intended for, there isn't much there in a way of telling what frequency band it was intended for.
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My guess it's AM/MW whatever you call it, 500-1600KHz.
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My guess it's AM/MW whatever you call it, 500-1600KHz.
That was my initial guess If that is the case, you could get away with something in the 90 to 200 micro henry range. All that receiver appears to be is a crystal set with an audio amplifier attached.
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As discussed before it is a choke and not part of the tuning circuit, that is the coil on the ferrite.
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Dear Forum Members,
Thanks for all your kind Support on this Topic.
After putting some efforts, I have traced and drawn the Circuit Diagram (Schematic) of this Matchbox Size AM Radio.I am uploading a JPEG Image of the same.I would request if any of the community members help me trace the Value of the Missing L3 (Vertical Choke Inductor Coil), it would put Life in 2 of my such dead radios which are dead without this Choke Inductor Coil.

Looking forward for your kind support...


Thanks Once again...

Gaurav
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Your circuit diagram is far from correct, but that doesn't matter. We already discussed this before, so why don't you just try an inductor of about 2mH?
You could even make one yourself by putting about 100 turns of thin wire around a nail...
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Your circuit diagram is far from correct, but that doesn't matter. We already discussed this before, so why don't you just try an inductor of about 2mH?
You could even make one yourself by putting about 100 turns of thin wire around a nail...

Dear PA0PBZ,
Thanks for the kind revert.Can you please advise me where I am wrong in making this circuit.What did you did not understand from this circuit...???
I have made this circuit keeping the original PCB in front of me with all components mounted.The GANG Condenser is a AM Crystal Radio common Gang Capacitor for receiving AM signals (540 Khz - 1600 khz).If you need any other missing data then please advise me...

Thanks once again for your kind support...

Gaurav
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The circuit diagram has several obvious errors.

1) one of leads to the "495" transistor is not connected
2) the C and B of the BC548 are switched
Please check everything again.

Also, try using google image search for "two transistor radio schematic" -- there are a couple of similar results.
This seems very close and indeed is labeled "match box size radio": http://bestengineeringprojects.com/electronics-projects/smallest-radio-circuit-using-two-transistors/
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This seems very close and indeed is labeled "match box size radio": http://bestengineeringprojects.com/electronics-projects/smallest-radio-circuit-using-two-transistors/
Very close, and it also describes the coil as being an indeterminate number of turns wound on to an "IFT" former.
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For L3 wind 56 SWG (approx) over ordinary IFT former without using core and metal cover. Counting of turns is not necessary. Wind the wire completed over former pulley.
 


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