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What recommendations on how to prevent deformation of the dielectric layers in aluminum electrolytic capacitors from my collection stored electronic devices that were manufactured in the early 90s and early 2000s and store in my home at a temperature of 33-36C, humidity 57-67% and energized devices at 220v AC 60hz?
 

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What recommendations on how to prevent deformation of the dielectric layers in aluminum electrolytic capacitors from my collection stored electronic devices that were manufactured in the early 90s and early 2000s and store in my home at a temperature of 33-36C, humidity 57-67% and energized devices at 220v AC 60hz?

I think tiago1986 / classicsamus87 etc, etc is back in town. Reported.
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What recommendations on how to prevent deformation of the dielectric layers in aluminum electrolytic capacitors from my collection stored electronic devices that were manufactured in the early 90s and early 2000s and store in my home at a temperature of 33-36C, humidity 57-67% and energized devices at 220v AC 60hz?

absolutely none! turn them on, if they don't work leccy capacitors are the first things to fail component wise and can be replaced.
 

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« Last Edit: January 04, 2025, 10:49:44 pm by Gyro »
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i have question in my conditions storage cited above for temperature, humidity, age my devices stored for interval repeat procedure energize devices for prevent fails aluminum electrolytic capacitors caused for disuse
here is 220v 60hz AC
 

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For long term storage, use some moisture-proof sealed bags (usually metal coated thick plastic bags) or containers, add desiccant (silica gel bag) and seal them for good. That's not cheap, but prevent a lot of corrosion. Remove any batteries before storage. Fix issues *after* storage.
Of course this only makes sense for valuable items.
 

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i have question in my conditions storage cited above for temperature, humidity, age my devices stored for interval repeat procedure energize devices for prevent fails aluminum electrolytic capacitors caused for disuse
here is 220v 60hz AC

As you have been told already, electrolytic capacitors fail, end of. If you device is old and not working. Change them, nothing more to be said!
 

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the devices is working correctly, I just need to find a good interval to re-energize all electronic devices to prevent failures due to disuse in the aluminum electrolytic capacitors in my storage conditions, humidity and temperature mentioned.
 

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Whenever you feel like it, turn the power on for a bit.

Or consult the datasheets, if they are a good brand, there will be lifetime information with formulas to use to calculate expected lifetime.
Where does all this test equipment keep coming from?!?

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the devices is working correctly, I just need to find a good interval to re-energize all electronic devices to prevent failures due to disuse in the aluminum electrolytic capacitors in my storage conditions, humidity and temperature mentioned.

Will you never tire of asking this question, in so many of your banned identities and various forums? You have received many, many answers over the years.
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In the other questions I made a mistake and did not mention my storage conditions for the devices humidity and temperature
 

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In previous answers, you have been told to consult capacitor manufacturers' [Edit:datasheets documentation], if these don't give the required MTBF information then there is nothing else. Mains voltage and frequency are completely irrelevant. There is, and never will be, a blanket answer so stop asking!

There is absolutely nothing more to be said, no matter how many times you ask or however many identities you create!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2025, 01:29:03 pm by Gyro »
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let's answer this seriously.

Nichicon's technical note says this.
It's in Japanese; let's translate it with Deepl.
in pages 17.
https://www.nichicon.co.jp/series_items/catalog_pdf/ja/pdf/xja043/aluminum.pdf

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2-6 保存性能
アルミニウム電解コンデンサを無負荷のまま長期間放置すると、漏れ電流が増加する傾向があります。漏れ電流が増加する原因は、陽極箔の酸化皮膜が電解液と反応して、耐電圧の低下をきたすためですが、電圧を印加すると電解液の修復作用により元のレベルになります。漏れ電流が増加する度合いは、放置中の温度が高いほど大きくなりますので保管場所は、直射日光の当たらない常温、常湿の場所をお選びください。長期間保管した製品を使用する場合は、電圧処理を行なってください。電圧処理方法については、単品の場合約1kΩの抵抗を通して定格電圧まで上昇させてから、そのまま30分程度印加してください。また、機器に組み込まれたものは、機器のエージングをお願いいたします。機器のエージングで、入力電圧および供給電源が調整できる場合には、低い値(定格の1/2位)に設定して、10分間程度慣らし動作を行って、その後徐々に高い値に設定し、所定の機能を確認しながら動作させてください。調整できない場合には、スイッチを入れてから、30分程度慣らし運転を行って、所定の機能が問題ないか確認してください。その後、一旦スイッチを切って、本格的な運転を行ってください。なお、通常の保存温度5~35℃において、2年以内の放置であれば電圧処理をせずにご使用いただけます。室温で保存した場合の製品特性変化の一例を(図2-10)に示します。

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2-6 Storage Performance
Leakage current tends to increase when aluminum electrolytic capacitors are left unloaded for long periods of time. The leakage current increases because the oxide film on the anode foil reacts with the electrolyte, resulting in a decrease in withstand voltage, which is restored to the original level by the electrolyte when voltage is applied. The degree of increase in leakage current increases with the temperature at which the product is left in storage, so choose a storage location with normal temperature and humidity and no direct sunlight. When using a product that has been stored for a long period of time, perform voltage treatment. For voltage treatment, for a single product, raise the voltage to the rated voltage through a resistor of approximately 1 kΩ, and then apply the voltage for approximately 30 minutes. For products incorporated in equipment, please age the equipment. If the input voltage and power supply can be adjusted during aging, set the input voltage and power supply to a low value (about 1/2 of the rated voltage) and allow the device to break in for about 10 minutes, then gradually increase the voltage to a higher value and operate the device while checking the specified functions. If the power supply cannot be adjusted, turn it on and run it for about 30 minutes for break-in operation to check if the prescribed functions are OK. After that, turn off the switch once and perform full-scale operation. Note that the product can be used without voltage treatment if it is left unused for 2 years or less at the normal storage temperature of 5 to 35°C. An example of changes in product characteristics when stored at room temperature is shown in (Figure 2-10).

 

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This procedure is quite complex. I would need a resistor and to open all my electronic devices, unsolder the aluminum electrolytic capacitors, repair, resolder the aluminum electrolytic capacitors and close all the electronic devices. He does not mention whether this recommendation works only for new aluminum electrolytic capacitors that have been used very little or whether it covers all of them, even those manufactured in the early 90s and early 2000s. He does not mention the humidity they can withstand. I do not know if age, temperature and humidity change the greater or lesser interval to energize all aluminum electrolytic capacitors assembled in an electronic circuit or separately. He mentions a maximum temperature of 35°C. Here at home it sometimes goes to 36°C.

I have asked several times to the manufacturers of aluminum electrolytic capacitors, I have done this with several brands but they have never answered my emails.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2025, 03:26:24 pm by lucasmm88 »
 

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Please close this thread; this "discussion" leads nowhere.
Final note from me: All the durability numbers are based on statistics aka "large numbers". One, five or fifty devices do not fall under "statistical evidence", but under "random event". So it is pointless to ponder about the average shelf life at 35oC vs. the average shelf life at 36oC.
Store away dry to provent rust/oxidation. Fix, when taken out of storage and failing.
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