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| Autronic:
--- Quote from: ebastler on August 07, 2024, 04:45:16 pm --- --- Quote from: RayRay on August 07, 2024, 12:26:50 pm ---[...] it's of course your right to keep on using such an outdated station if you insist. Have a nice day. --- End quote --- Yeah, those modern soldering stations produce much more modern heat! Measured in Joule rather than calories, ya know. I'm not even sure whether modern solder will melt when confronted with that outdated heat from the OP's station... ::) --- End quote --- The OP's station certainly would not melt modern solder currently, as it is unserviceable. Could put a push button on it tho and run it like an old Scope iron. Brute force and ignorance and would melt everything in their path those Scope's.The rampant hide of those Czech immigrants to come to Australia from a war ravaged county, where they likely had nothing, invent a company likely out of nothing, invent a soldering iron that contained basically nothing, that would melt lead alloy solder and most likely non lead solder and fuse components and sometimes my fingers together. Those Czech's must have looked on at Royel and sneered. Scope had a human-machine interface where one could pulse width modulate the heat at one's beck and call. A slide switch, and later a lever action switch on the mini Scope. To quote the Latin again "calefac bastardis" "Nothing sucks like a Royel" - the sun in my heart for a thousand years. |
| tooki:
--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 11:09:22 am ---Have to correct there. The Royel has heater and sensor connected together mere mm apart. I know I unwound one. Some nichrome wire with small weld tab then off the heater feedback while heat and return go indifferent lines and gnd is also included on outer sheath. --- End quote --- That’s not what RayRay was saying. What they meant is that the heater (and sensor) are integrated into the tip, what they referred to as an “AIO tip” (AIO = all in one), though nobody calls them that — the normal term for them is “cartridge heater tips”, “tip heater cartridges”, etc (“cartridge” being the key word). That in contrast to traditional iron design, where the heater (with sensor) is one thing, and the tip is completely separate (as a part that goes either into or over the heater assembly). --- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 11:09:22 am ---But not aimed at mass SMD work era where the solder (metal glue) needs high temp. Sure they can do this but it’s just more difficult. --- End quote --- SMD has been in wide use since long before lead-free came along and needed higher temperatures. SMD was mass-produced for over 20 years using 60/40 and 63/37 before lead-free got mandated. And for several decades before that, SMD was also done, but only in military/aerospace. (That is to say: around 1980, SMD started to become used in mass-produced consumer products, particularly compact portable devices like cameras and camcorders. But it had been in use for aerospace and military since the 1960s.) And calling solder “metal glue” makes me vomit in my mouth a little bit. (Not to mention how odd it is that you even felt the need at all to explain what solder is. I think everyone here, even the most newbies of beginners, knows what solder is.) |
| wasyoungonce:
No offence intended but after being brought up on 63/37 and mil spec soldering there is a reason I and aerospace military are staying with it. But yes tech had moved on. Of course I know of AIO tips that’s what I’m moving to. The Royel he has is not junk snd still capable of 10 degrees C tip accuracy after wot40 yrs. As pointed out most others won’t even be working. But exactly as you said AIO is capable of nearly 1-2 degrees C top accuracy even under load. That is why I an moving away. Just pointing out the Royel is not junk 40 years and still cal’able to its spec. The quip about metal glue really is in relation to early non lead laptop motherboards but still exists the whole “reflow world” exists from an issue with solder that shouldn’t happen. Yet it does. But that’s another battle ground nothing to to with Royel To OP I have Royal bits (enough for too many life times) and know their design and have ccts drawn if you need assistance. |
| Shock:
Rayrays starts the "don't repair it, throw it out" movement of 2024. Gains minimal traction after being initially launched in a repair thread on an electronics forum. |
| Autronic:
Thanks WYO, may call on you if this bumblingly incompetent RADTECHG can't get his brain to work and fix this thing. I can't criticize Rayray too much, most of us have come into a conversation mid way and made a mess of it. |
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