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Royel soldering station repair
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tooki:

--- Quote from: Autronic on August 09, 2024, 11:35:25 am ---tooki, sixth post into the conversation

"I have two of these, they were going in the bin in the mid 90's when I was working at GEC-Marconi in Sydney. I keep them as a reminder of those years, and the years in the R.A.A.F when we used Royel stations. "

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Yep.

And RayRay’s first response starts with:
--- Quote from: RayRay on August 05, 2024, 11:41:58 am ---In my opinion, unless it has sentimental value to you, it's not worth the bother!
You could easily get a C245 station for $50 or a T12 one for $30 (from Aliexpress) and either would be a big improvement.

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(Emphasis mine.)

Regardless, it’s bizarre that you guys are getting your knickers in such a twist over someone daring to express an opinion in a public forum.
wasyoungonce:
Not really.  I have good knowledge of Royels, most.  I hate throwaway society as said this Royel will outlive him and mine outlive me....will these cheap stations do this?  My Royel tips are excellent as good if not better than many.  I know I can compare them.  I rarely change a tip even though I have more than enough for 5 lifetimes (new old stock still in packets by the dozens).

I agree everyone can have their say, but throwaway isn't my thing and shouldn't be but sadly is in society we throw stuff away, yet this forum, has a great love for older well made electronics equipment.  This is just part of it.

I understand its limits and know horses for courses.   Which has forced my hand to change, reluctantly.   But If I can help the OP....I will, parts, cct brds, knowledge, tips.
Autronic:
My knickers aren't in a twist, it's sport old son. And as to the right, perhaps we might ask Mr Jones about the privilege to use his forum?
tooki:

--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 06:23:39 pm ---No offence intended but after being brought up on 63/37 and mil spec soldering there is a reason I and aerospace military are staying with it.   But yes tech had moved on. Of course I know of AIO tips that’s what I’m moving to.  The Royel he has is not junk snd still capable of 10 degrees C tip accuracy after wot40 yrs.  As pointed out most others won’t even be working.

But exactly as you said AIO is capable of nearly 1-2 degrees C top accuracy even under load.  That is why I an moving away. 

Just pointing out the Royel is not junk 40 years and still cal’able to its spec.  The quip about metal glue really is in relation to early non lead laptop motherboards but still exists the whole “reflow world” exists from an issue with solder that shouldn’t happen. Yet it does.

But that’s another battle ground nothing to to with Royel 

To OP I have Royal bits (enough for too many life times) and know their design and have ccts drawn if you need assistance.

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Who was this reply addressed at? Should I assume it was addressed at me, since it immediately follows a reply of mine?

Individual points:


--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 06:23:39 pm ---No offence intended but after being brought up on 63/37 and mil spec soldering there is a reason I and aerospace military are staying with it.

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I don’t see any place in this thread where anyone was suggesting you switch to lead-free solder.


--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 06:23:39 pm --- The Royel he has is not junk snd still capable of 10 degrees C tip accuracy after wot40 yrs.  As pointed out most others won’t even be working.



Just pointing out the Royel is not junk 40 years and still cal’able to its spec. 

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Do other brands of soldering stations actually tend to fail sooner than Royel? There are some Pace, Ersa, and Weller soldering stations at work that are older than I am. At my old job, also an old Adcola. It seems to me that all of the big brands were making durable, repairable product 40 years ago. (I predict we will see bigger differences when today’s soldering stations age.) The impression I get is that people replace old soldering stations not because they break, but either because their needs change, or because parts and consumables become unavailable. (Or because they can’t be bothered to invest the time in repairing a decades-old tool, even if parts are available!)

I recognize that survivor bias means I’m not seeing any soldering stations that did fail and were discarded in the past. But from what I have heard and read in general, soldering stations are fundamentally quite reliable devices.


--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 06:23:39 pm ---But exactly as you said AIO is capable of nearly 1-2 degrees C top accuracy even under load.

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I don’t see where anyone made claims about the temperature accuracy of cartridge heater tips. (I certainly didn’t.) Not saying this is factually incorrect, merely that it could be taken as putting words in someone’s mouth.


--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 08, 2024, 06:23:39 pm ---The quip about metal glue really is in relation to early non lead laptop motherboards but still exists the whole “reflow world” exists from an issue with solder that shouldn’t happen. Yet it does. 

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I’ll do my best to try and decipher what’s being said here, but I am not 100% sure what you mean.

But solder isn’t glue.

Reflow soldering has existed since long before lead-free solder was mandated, and long before laptops came out. It’s been around since the 1960s IIRC. Sure, it did not used to be the dominant PCB assembly method, but it definitely existed, as did solder pastes to do it with.

Reading between the lines, are you talking about the GPU failures that happened some years ago which people “solved” by “reflowing” the boards in the oven? The ones where people were heating them to well below the melting point of even leaded solder (never mind the lead-free used), and still achieving “success” (which usually failed again a few months later)? If so, the process involved pretty much demonstrates that the solder likely wasn’t the problem. IIRC they never definitively identified what the cause was, at least not publicly.
tooki:

--- Quote from: wasyoungonce on August 09, 2024, 11:59:14 am --- I hate throwaway society as said this Royel will outlive him and mine outlive me....will these cheap stations do this?

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As do I. And no, I don’t expect cheap Chinese stations to last particularly long. But I would expect high-quality modern ones to.
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