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Offline _Wim_Topic starter

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2016, 08:15:10 pm »

Thanks! I will for sure try to put them to good use.

Do you have by any chance the service manual for the 5202 unit?

Unfortunately, I only have the 5204 operating and service manual.

Frank
No problem. I will keep on looking. Thanks also for your usefull information. It seems I really underestimated the benefits of some "old" analog gear...
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2016, 05:39:28 pm »
PAR, what an interesting company, and the founders as well...

Dicke was also responsible for developing the lock-in amplifier, which is an indispensable tool in the area of applied science and engineering. Some believe[who?] that Robert Dicke deserved a Nobel Prize just for the invention of such a powerful and ubiquitous device. Many of Dicke's experiments capitalize on lock-in in some way or another.[citation needed] However, in an interview with Martin Harwit he claims that even though he is often credited with the invention of the device; he believes he read about it in a review of scientific equipment written by Walter C. Michels, a professor at Bryn Mawr.[15][16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Dicke

Now then, if you can find anything on the model 110 selective amplifier/distortion analyzer. GLIA good luck in advance!
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2016, 06:03:39 pm »
Another feature of the Lock-In that an FFT often lacks is that a Lock-In has a continuous output. If you require uninterrupted analog output, an FFT solution may not work.
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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2016, 11:57:07 pm »
Now I'm starting to feel embarrassed about leaving mine sitting on a shelf since I got it. Can anyone point to a text on the use  of lock-in amplifiers in general? And the 128A in particular, if there's anything.
(Yes, I'll google too, Just thought I'd ask, as I prefer old printed text books, and they tend to not show up in electronic searches.)
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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2016, 08:29:07 pm »
I just uploaded 128A combined operator and service manual to K04BB. The file is too large for this site.
working instruments :Keithley 260,261,2750,7708, 2000 (calibrated), 2015, 236, 237, 238, 147, 220,  Rigol DG1032  PAR Model 128 Lock-In amplifier, Fluke 332A, Gen Res 4107 KVD, 4107D KVD, Fluke 731B X2 (calibrated), Fluke 5450A (calibrated)
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2016, 10:04:01 am »
I just uploaded 128A combined operator and service manual to K04BB. The file is too large for this site.


http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=07_Recent_Uploads

Oh there it is. Not available for download yet.
I notice they say that manual is 7.3MB.
The one I already have is 7,397KB. I wonder if it's the same? Probably is. Does the first PDF page look like the attached image?
That's from the one I have, which is a really bad quality scan. All the usual faults, including stuffed up foldout schematics, pages so skew there's text missing, rooted images, etc. Yet another example of why I laugh when people say "all the old paper manuals are scanned and online now."
No, they are f-ing not.
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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2016, 04:11:47 pm »
Yes exactly the same front page.


I just uploaded 128A combined operator and service manual to K04BB. The file is too large for this site.


http://www.ko4bb.com/getsimple/index.php?id=manuals&dir=07_Recent_Uploads

Oh there it is. Not available for download yet.
I notice they say that manual is 7.3MB.
The one I already have is 7,397KB. I wonder if it's the same? Probably is. Does the first PDF page look like the attached image?
That's from the one I have, which is a really bad quality scan. All the usual faults, including stuffed up foldout schematics, pages so skew there's text missing, rooted images, etc. Yet another example of why I laugh when people say "all the old paper manuals are scanned and online now."
No, they are f-ing not.
working instruments :Keithley 260,261,2750,7708, 2000 (calibrated), 2015, 236, 237, 238, 147, 220,  Rigol DG1032  PAR Model 128 Lock-In amplifier, Fluke 332A, Gen Res 4107 KVD, 4107D KVD, Fluke 731B X2 (calibrated), Fluke 5450A (calibrated)
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2018, 05:26:11 pm »
I found this topic while looking for the 5202 Manual. I received the manual after contacting the company (they were very helpful). I wanted to let anyone looking for it know that if you call the company they'll be able to email you the manual.
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2020, 11:18:25 pm »
Sorry for replying to an old thread, but I called up and emailed the company, and both times they said they no longer had any documentation regarding the Model 5202:( Would you be willing to upload the manual they provided you to either the forum or somewhere else when you get the chance CMPhysicist? I've literally scoured the internet and the closest I got was a single image of the hard copy manual from a long gone ebay posting. I'd be extremely grateful if you would:)
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2020, 05:58:41 am »
I am not CMPhysicist, but I think that is ok also  ;)
 
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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2020, 01:43:07 pm »
Thanks for posting that manual, _Wim_, I have a 5202 that I need to check out.
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2020, 03:35:45 am »
Oh bless your soul _wim_!! Haha that's more than okay, I'm just glad it's still around! Thanks a million for the help :)
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2022, 05:04:22 pm »
I recently acquired an EG&G 5202. On preliminary testing, it seems to be working fine. However, it's missing the Vector Board that generates the magnitude and phase outputs. The I and Q signal outputs look good over the frequency range. Does anyone here have a vector board to sell (perhaps from a parts unit)? Also, is there any indication of which options are present based on serial # or other option info mentioned on the unit? Thanks to _Wim_ for posting the schematic, it's a lifesaver for anyone wanting to calibrate or align the unit.
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2022, 08:04:38 pm »
Also, is there any indication of which options are present based on serial # or other option info mentioned on the unit?

On my unit there is a label with "modification installed". Modification "95" is the vector option.
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2022, 09:59:47 pm »
The vector option is not really needed that often, especially not in digitial times with the I/Q (or X/Y as other names) ouputs are digitized and send to a computer.  The analog vector calculation is limited accuracy and stability.
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2022, 06:47:56 am »
_Wim_ thanks for that info. Mine doesn't have that label so it wasn't that someone pulled that board out!
« Last Edit: March 07, 2022, 06:49:45 am by wishboneash »
 

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Re: EG&G (princeton applied reasearch) 5202 Lock-in amplifier repair
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2022, 06:50:52 am »
The vector option is not really needed that often, especially not in digitial times with the I/Q (or X/Y as other names) ouputs are digitized and send to a computer.  The analog vector calculation is limited accuracy and stability.

Yes, you are right of course. Additional analog signal processing is going to degrade the accuracy. It would have been nice to have though.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2022, 06:52:41 am by wishboneash »
 


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