Geeboon TC20A (now TC22) 240W - TC20B 380W - JBC clone

[thm_w]

I became the owner of the Geeboon T20B station and immediately had the idea of "refinement" and the actual "contents" - there are only three tips and two "handles" in the basic supply. But, judging by the description, you can also connect T12 and C115 handles to it!

Yes I did put the image showing C115/C210/C245/C470/T12 in the first post.
T12 is not worth using if you have this station, IMO, T245 tips are so cheap at this point. Maybe if you have some large collection of specialized tips.

Clicking I haven't used the station enough to notice, but it does happen with some Aixun stations and real JBC station as well. Can be from slow PWM switching speed as you say, maybe you can measure the output with a scope to see the frequency.

[megagad]

Yes I did put the image showing C115/C210/C245/C470/T12 in the first post.
T12 is not worth using if you have this station, IMO, T245 tips are so cheap at this point. Maybe if you have some large collection of specialized tips.

BUT - in your first post, you have a "pinout" for the "standard" JBC connector (6 pins). I also gave a "drawing" of the pinout of their stations with handles for GX12-5 - this is a little different.
And yes, I have a rather impressive "collection" of T12 tanks, somewhat "specific", plus for some reason the Chinese still do not make cheap "analogues". for example, a "spattel" with a width of 30-40mm. And the good old "tunnel/quad"  - the JBC analog stands like a cast-iron bridge (or a wing from Boeing).

[Clyde]

Hi VisualGadget, as I can see, that guy likes using relays. It's easy for him now, but it could be a headache for us in the future.

There are two 24VDC SMPS boards and a relay to connect them in series, so if the relay or one SMPS fails, you can still use the station without the T470 handle, and the relay is for £4 delivered.
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005008619868032.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.7ad8452c44HCsB&mp=1&pdp_npi=5%40dis%21GBP%21GBP%204.44%21GBP%204.00%21%21%21%21%21%402103956a17441906043548823e96c7%2112000045979912658%21ct%21UK%212120404077%21%211%210&gatewayAdapt=glo2pol
And it's gonna last longer than the Aixun 200W ribon cable/connectors.

[toadbload]

just wanted to add a bit to the topic, but I got the ta305 about 3 weeks ago and have been using it since for a couple of times a week. It can do 140w continuous (also i think it's the max as the power bar is at 100% at 140w can actually go higher on initial heat up and from sleep highest i saw was 147w), not 85w for about 20 seconds before tool protection kicks in as i couldn't hover it over the water at a stable rate for the temperature not to plummet(and also i was afraid of damaging the tip) additionally the station draws about 175w while doing so according to my cheap power meter.

the stand isn't much of note, same issues as others have said but geeboon seems to have updated the stand with the SDC02 it seems to be well made from the pictures with silicone separating the plastic parts and has replaced the original on the ta305 albeit at a slight price bump. I've bought 2 since it comes in much cheaper than the aixun ones and the stands i bought don't seem to be coming anymore.

i've also taken it apart looks good apart from the bent ground connector(needed as it would hit the transformer if not). And for anybody wants to take apart their station really make sure you heat up the front panel your more so bending it with the heat rather than prying it off otherwise it would crack, and its the same vise versa start on one side and use heat to soften the plastic and bend it down(i set my hot air station to 150c and max air flow).

on a side note i got the t115 handle with it, looks fine but does get quite hot after extended usage but a t210 foam fits over it snug albeit a little thick and long.

Edit: just realised the t210 handle only has a max of 30w, is it the same across the other models given that other t210 compatible stations have higher power?

[minkok]

There are two 24VDC SMPS boards and a relay to connect them in series, so if the relay or one SMPS fails, you can still use the station without the T470 handle, and the relay is for £4 delivered.
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005008619868032.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.7ad8452c44HCsB&mp=1&pdp_npi=5%40dis%21GBP%21GBP%204.44%21GBP%204.00%21%21%21%21%21%402103956a17441906043548823e96c7%2112000045979912658%21ct%21UK%212120404077%21%211%210&gatewayAdapt=glo2pol
And it's gonna last longer than the Aixun 200W ribon cable/connectors.

Connecting 2 SMPS-s in series, the right way is a challenge, and adding an extra contact relay to them is not a good choice. It will work, ... but how? As I said, a headache in the future.

[Shadowtrance]

Been using a good ol' hakko FX-888D for over 10 years but tips randomly deciding to fuse into the sleeve/collar/whatever it's called (the screw on metal tube) really gets on my nerves when it happens and has been happening more lately and the tip currently in it seems to be permanent this time.

So i went looking for something new....oh boy how much has changed since i last looked at irons back in 2014.

In the market for a new iron and came across this one which looks pretty well made and i don't want to pay hakko or jbc prices as they're kinda crazy in australia.
Anyway, i was initially looking at the Aixun T3A but it seems to have issues that don't seem terrible but also not great so i went looking at other options that isn't the damn pinecil that pops up everywhere...

So, those of you who have had one for a while, would you recommend it? Does it have any of the issues the Aixun units have (voltage leak / ground problem etc).
I was going to go with the TC22 and the new stand unless there's a compelling argument to go with the TA305 (which already comes with the new stand and costs more).

The only downside I've found with moving to the "new" tech is the lack of heat set insert tips for the jbc style cartridges (unless I'm blind, i haven't found any...only T12) but that's nothing a cheap pencil iron won't fix so not a big deal even though i use heat set inserts a fair bit.

I'm open to other options of course, within a reasonable budget of around $200 AUD or so that don't have issues that just get swept under the rug by companies.

Thanks

[toadbload]

Been using a good ol' hakko FX-888D for over 10 years but tips randomly deciding to fuse into the sleeve/collar/whatever it's called (the screw on metal tube) really gets on my nerves when it happens and has been happening more lately and the tip currently in it seems to be permanent this time.

So i went looking for something new....oh boy how much has changed since i last looked at irons back in 2014.

In the market for a new iron and came across this one which looks pretty well made and i don't want to pay hakko or jbc prices as they're kinda crazy in australia.
Anyway, i was initially looking at the Aixun T3A but it seems to have issues that don't seem terrible but also not great so i went looking at other options that isn't the damn pinecil that pops up everywhere...

So, those of you who have had one for a while, would you recommend it? Does it have any of the issues the Aixun units have (voltage leak / ground problem etc).
I was going to go with the TC22 and the new stand unless there's a compelling argument to go with the TA305 (which already comes with the new stand and costs more).

The only downside I've found with moving to the "new" tech is the lack of heat set insert tips for the jbc style cartridges (unless I'm blind, i haven't found any...only T12) but that's nothing a cheap pencil iron won't fix so not a big deal even though i use heat set inserts a fair bit.

I'm open to other options of course, within a reasonable budget of around $200 AUD or so that don't have issues that just get swept under the rug by companies.

Thanks

CNC Kitchen sells c245 heat set insert cartridges but are quite expensive coming in at $43 AUD for the kit or $30 for just the cartridge and another $15 shipping to Australia

I don't really see a reason to use one compared to having a cheap dedicated iron for it. I have one mounted on a boom arm with a printed  handle using an inexpensive kit of AliExpress.

[Shadowtrance]

CNC Kitchen sells c245 heat set insert cartridges but are quite expensive coming in at $43 AUD for the kit or $30 for just the cartridge and another $15 shipping to Australia

I don't really see a reason to use one compared to having a cheap dedicated iron for it. I have one mounted on a boom arm with a printed  handle using an inexpensive kit of AliExpress.

Yeah that's a tad bit pricey. I'll just stick with another option for inserts. I don't use inserts THAT much to justify the cost from cnc kitchen. Good to know they do exist though.

[thm_w]

on a side note i got the t115 handle with it, looks fine but does get quite hot after extended usage but a t210 foam fits over it snug albeit a little thick and long.

This is normal, the small handles get very hot, as the heat source is so close to your fingers. The 115 specific foam is about 30mm long, but I don't know if anyone sells it directly (they sell the 50mm for 210 or 245). Its just the entire handpiece with foam, think it was this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005104879654.html

Edit: just realised the t210 handle only has a max of 30w, is it the same across the other models given that other t210 compatible stations have higher power?

Are you saying this station limits T210 to 30W?  As you say other clones go up to 40 or 50W, but "officially" 115 is 15W 25W and 210 is 25W 40W from JBC spec.
Does it identify the handle as 115 or 210? Maybe it can't tell the difference between the two so has to keep power to a safer level.

T210 is not that useful of a size to me, I would just go 115 for fine work and 245 for general/high power use.

[pbanj]

has anyone gotten this error when trying to update the tc20b?

[toadbload]

Are you saying this station limits T210 to 30W?  As you say other clones go up to 40 or 50W, but "officially" 115 is 15W and 210 is 25W from JBC spec.
Does it identify the handle as 115 or 210? Maybe it can't tell the difference between the two so has to keep power to a safer level.

T210 is not that useful of a size to me, I would just go 115 for fine work and 245 for general/high power use.

the station recognises the t210 and t115 as different tools but both have a limit of 30w

i've heard the t115 handle go up to 25w but when you say "officially" for the t115 it has a power output of 15w is this in practice as looking at the jbc site it lists the t115 handle as 25w https://www.jbctools.com/nt115-nano-handle-product-1351.html and 40w for the c210 https://www.jbctools.com/t210-precision-handle-product-48.html or is it the cartridge?

but as you said the t210 handle isn't really useful, i only found myself using it to check its power output for my post, and theres enough of a range in c245 cartridges to do pretty much everything i need other than small smd work where i'd use the t115

[thm_w]

the station recognises the t210 and t115 as different tools but both have a limit of 30w

OK, I would contact the seller and ask if they can increase the T210 power limit, if you want.

i've heard the t115 handle go up to 25w but when you say "officially" for the t115 it has a power output of 15w is this in practice as looking at the jbc site it lists the t115 handle as 25w https://www.jbctools.com/nt115-nano-handle-product-1351.html and 40w for the c210 https://www.jbctools.com/t210-precision-handle-product-48.html or is it the cartridge?

Oops I must have mixed up those numbers, yeah 115 - 25W and 210 - 40W peak. In practice, not sure, as SDG didn't have it in the review.

[toadbload]

Oops I must have mixed up those numbers, yeah 115 - 25W and 210 - 40W peak. In practice, not sure, as SDG didn't have it in the review.

What review are you referring to? I don't think SDG has done one for the geeboon stations.

[thm_w]

What review are you referring to? I don't think SDG has done one for the geeboon stations.

His JBC reviews, then we would have a reference point to compare to. But he only tested with T245.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGPVhv5fZGs

[ststefanov13]

I opened the connector on the handle of the GEEBON C115 and there is an ID resistor with a value of 1 k. My TC22 and HC24 recognize it as a C115.

Its a chinese work by GEEBOON!!!!?

[Yellofriend]

TC20A boot v1 hardware v2 Appv1.07 user here + C245

Does your unit shows the actual soldering temperature? Mine only shows the set temp.  Did you manage to update the firmware?

[megagad]

maybe. On the TC20B, in graph mode, it shows both the set temperature and the temperature of the "tip" (the thermocouple inside the heater).
HW 1.01 FW 2.10 App 1.21
Do not buy YIAHUA tips!! never! although they are cheap, the quality is so poor that with a "glass test" they produce only 60-70W with the "heater" FULLY immersed!!! Even "comparable in price" OSS produce 160-170 watts!
This is not normal! This applies to the C245 stings.
They have more or less C210 (they give out their 54W in a glass).

[Feuerbard]

[arekm]

Did anyone test this station (TA305 TC22) with original JBC stands and handpieces? Original JBC tips for (clone) handpieces are rather "easy" (they work well AFAIK) but what about JBC original stands and original handpieces with that clone station?

Example: JBC DDPE-2QB with original T210 + original T245 handpieces. DDPE only handles 2 tools unfortunately. "Unfortunately" - well, I have a third tool - JBC-AM120-A tweezers. Switching cables in DDPE-2QB stands is a nightmare.

I'm thinking about Chinese clone (like geeboon TA305 TC22) for powering tweezers. Would geeboon TA305 TC22 work just fine with original JBC-AM120-A  tweezers AND JBC original stand for these tweezers? And by "work" I mean sleeping, tweezers recognizing, tweezers powering etc?

[Feuerbard]

SW03 advertised as JBC  compatible and TA305 and TC22 must be compatible too but jbc tweezer unlikely to work  without additonally software and hardware support

[minkok]

Did anyone test this station (TA305 TC22) with original JBC stands and handpieces? Original JBC tips for (clone) handpieces are rather "easy" (they work well AFAIK) but what about JBC original stands and original handpieces with that clone station?

It needn't be checked. They will.

Example: JBC DDPE-2QB with original T210 + original T245 handpieces. DDPE only handles 2 tools unfortunately. "Unfortunately" - well, I have a third tool - JBC-AM120-A tweezers. Switching cables in DDPE-2QB stands is a nightmare.

Both of them use a single tool!

I'm thinking about Chinese clone (like geeboon TA305 TC22) for powering tweezers. Would geeboon TA305 TC22 work just fine with original JBC-AM120-A  tweezers AND JBC original stand for these tweezers? And by "work" I mean sleeping, tweezers recognizing, tweezers powering etc?

Simple answer - forget!

[LinuxGuy123]

I ordered a Geeboon TC22 today with the SDC02 stand, for use as a second iron at my soldering workstation and/or an iron at my desk where I do development.

I have a Sugon T61 (400W, C470, C245, C210) and I absolutely love it.   I'll probably order a Geeboon HC24 at some point and compare it to my T61.

[SmallHuz]

Hey guys. I have a few questions regarding Geeboon stations. I know that Geeboon sells 2 types of stands SSD01 and SDC20. I know that SDC20 has fixed the issue of sleep mode whenever you use brass wool for cleaning the tip as it is in direct contact with the stand. Now SDC20 stand does not have the "Sleep" wire coming from the back of it, if I use the station with just 1 tool in SDC20 stand it will recognize sleep mode and shutdown mode when changing the cartridges. Do I need to make some sort of modification if I am going to use tool switch with 3 SDC20 stands?
I have seen few Geeboon stations that have toroidal transformers. Did somebody probed the heater wire with scope is it half wave AC or full wave? Do other stations, with SMSP PSUs and toroidal transformer, have some sort of voltage leakage problem, not tip to ground rather to + and - of heater and to logic board?

[toadbload]

The SDC20 stand will recognise sleep mode and shut down as its within the connector.

I've also got some pictures of the stand's insides that I never posted and seeming as there aren't any, it might be useful

the stand weighs about 460grams with the cable, so it isn't enough to pull a c245 tip out but ymmv though some extra weight could be added

Last one is just what i used to make the t115 handle holder work from the other stand as geeboon didn't offer one when i bought it

[SmallHuz]

The SDC20 stand will recognise sleep mode and shut down as its within the connector.

So the "Sleep" wire for tool switch is just there if I am going to use older stand model SSD01. I have looked at the pictures and that yellow connector for the sleep is directly connected and soldered to the binder connector PCB which is then connected to sleep pin. That is nice to have.