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Products => Other Equipment & Products => Topic started by: carethegeek2 on September 14, 2017, 04:43:18 pm
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Hello!
I got into soldering about a year ago and till now it has been fun assembling different kits. I also often solder led connections for my father who is a carpenter. My Old solderin iron is very basic and hasn t been doing the job very nicely for the past few months, so I figured I would get a new one. So I am looking at the Hakko fx888d but the problem is I cant find it anywhere in Slovenia where I live. So I would be reallllly greateful if you could help me or give me some advice on where in Europe I would be able to buy it. My budget is around a 100 euros but I would go 120 If I have to, my budget is not unlimited because Im only 16.
Thank you ;D
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I've been there [emoji16] finally bought one from Dubai.
Www.Georgehobby.wordpress.com
Equipments: DSO104z, Hakko FX888D
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Converting the currency it was just 90Euro for the product. But the shipping would vary.
Www.Georgehobby.wordpress.com
Equipments: DSO104z, Hakko FX888D
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How much was the shipping and was the unit original but that wouldn t work for me cos I would have to pay a shit ton of import fees.
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You might want to look into Batterfly.com (http://www.batterfly.com/shop/hakko_fx-888d?filter_name=fx-888d) (98EUR before VAT, and located in Italy).
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I looked a batterfly.com and the freaking thing is 140 euros. The thing I find weird is that the shipping is 16 euros and I live only 3 hours away from italy. :wtf:
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it's not worth it. there this iron, it is much cheaper and pretty much same performance:
https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html (https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html)
there are reviews on youtube.
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I mean I m not to sure because hakko is a well known and established brand.
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And the soldering iron you listed only gets to 400*C and the hakko gets to 650*C (Which is overkill for most things but still...). The TS100 is good for smaller joints but not that good for big ones XD
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How much was the shipping and was the unit original but that wouldn t work for me cos I would have to pay a shit ton of import fees.
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Well it's the real deal. You could check with them here is their mail id. I live in qatar and it did not cost much to have it shipped to me.
Www.Georgehobby.wordpress.com
Equipments: DSO104z, Hakko FX888D
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Here is a reliable soldering station start with https://youtu.be/25rww-pXqr0
Decent one if you ask me and he has also reviewed the STM32.
Www.Georgehobby.wordpress.com
Equipments: DSO104z, Hakko FX888D
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951
and Metcal
it's not worth it. there this iron, it is much cheaper and pretty much same performance:
https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html (https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html)
there are reviews on youtube.
Hate to say it, but that tip to grip distance is ridiculous. Any longer and you will soldering from across the room. Then again, I may be spoiled by my Hakko FX-951 and Metcal MX-500. There are certainly 936 clones that would also work. Just use original Hakko tips.
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Hate to say it, but that tip to grip distance is ridiculous. Any longer and you will soldering from across the room. Then again, I may be spoiled by my Hakko FX-951
It can be a good thing to have long reach, but it can depend on the tips as well as the handpiece design. I wonder if the TS-100 tips have been shaped to account for the difference in minim tip-to-grip, which appears to be substantial, between TS100 and 2027 handpieces.
For nearly a decade, I have used 888. After many hours of using T12 (hakko 951 clone handpiece), I come to the conclusion that with T12 BCF3, I do not have the same amount of reach when drag soldering as with T18 CF3. Close inspection shows that the angle is flatter on the T12 version,* meaning you have to hold the iron closer to the tip (and put hand closer to the IC) to get the same angle.
*According to Hakko website the angle is cut at 45 degrees on both styles, but the angle is different by about 4 degrees, plus or minus 1, per my eyes when holding them end-to-end under the microscope.
IMO, shorter tip to grip is only a minor advantage for rework/repair, and longer reach (based on tip shape and handpiece ergos) is a more substantial advantage to me, personally, at least up to a certain point (936/888 distance seems to be just about perfect, to me). I have never had to put away the 888 to do something with the T12 station. But I have gone the other way for certain batch assembly applications. It probably depends on how much tremor you have, and your personal ergos, I suppose. E.g., under the microscope, the tip is rarely significantly more stable for me when using 2027 and holding it closer to the tip vs 888... the lack of mass towards the point seems to largely offset the shorter tip to grip for me, personally. My mitts are fairly beefy.
That said, I don't believe the TS-100 (/T12 station) is lacking in power vs an 888. I'm not sure which one has more practical power for specific tip/application, but I would bet on the TS-100, given similar tip style and full supply voltage.
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I also live in Slovenia, it's not worth to buy hakko in europe.
I own Ersa I-con 1 and its a rocket but its out of your budget.
I would recomend ersa i con pico (130€), look at http://www.belmet.si/Home.aspx (http://www.belmet.si/Home.aspx) and contact them by email or call them they are the cheapest and you can go look at the station before you buy it, the tips and handle are the same as higher end ersa station they last forever, but its not grounded you can ground it yourself, but its not recommended if youre a beginer https://youtu.be/ZT8HsC8ewzc (https://youtu.be/ZT8HsC8ewzc)
Also look at Slovenian forums like s5tech.net and elektronik. Si there's a ton of great info about soldering station and maybe some local member will let you test his station,
prices in pdf are before vat: http://www.belmet.si/Libraries/dokumenti_-_kalibracija/ersa_iCON_promocija_2013_verzija1.sflb.ashx (http://www.belmet.si/Libraries/dokumenti_-_kalibracija/ersa_iCON_promocija_2013_verzija1.sflb.ashx)
Hope that helps, excuse my bad english
Lep pozdrav
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And the soldering iron you listed only gets to 400*C and the hakko gets to 650*C (Which is overkill for most things but still...). The TS100 is good for smaller joints but not that good for big ones XD
Where'd you get the idea that the Hakko goes to 650C (which is far, far, far, far higher than you'd ever need for soldering)?? The Hakko website says it goes to 480C, which is already far higher than you'll ever use. (My iron, an Ersa i-CON nano, is usually around 290C for leaded solder, a tad higher for lead-free.)
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Sorry I apologise I was looking at fahrenheit. That said I will probably get the TS100 or look at the I-CON one
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I would recomend ersa i con pico (130€)...[snip]...
Do keep in mind that this particular unit is not ESD compliant.
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I have this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-GS110D-110W-Temperature-Adjustable-LCD-Digital-Soldering-Iron-Kit-US-EU-Plug-/302225491462?hash=item465e0b0606 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-GS110D-110W-Temperature-Adjustable-LCD-Digital-Soldering-Iron-Kit-US-EU-Plug-/302225491462?hash=item465e0b0606)
the tips are compatible with hakko and the wire is silicone, so it's heat resistant and soft
i have it over a year now
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I would recomend ersa i con pico (130€)...[snip]...
Do keep in mind that this particular unit is not ESD compliant.
Yep. The i-CON nano is a little bit more expensive, but is ESD-safe and uses a better quality heater core, and the whole thing is made in Germany instead of China.
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I looked a batterfly.com and the freaking thing is 140 euros. The thing I find weird is that the shipping is 16 euros and I live only 3 hours away from italy. :wtf:
Hello, yes transport fee are expensive and we have tried so many other way but they do not work. In the end we decided to offer express shipment only which at least promises a good service.
About the price, we can always add extra tips, just contact us, we try our best.
Thanks.
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it's not worth it. there this iron, it is much cheaper and pretty much same performance:
https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html (https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html)
there are reviews on youtube.
I looked at this model some days ago. There are some major cons for this iron. First, you must get some 12-24V power supply. So you must buy another unit, and the cable you'll get will not be a soft silicone like good irons have. Another issue is the iron tips: you must use the TS100 brand tips, and they have only 7 types. Other irons use hakko 900m series tips, which offer a large range of tips (I personally prefer 900M-T-1.6D tip, which is a flat screwdriver style tip).
I have GS110D iron. It claims to be a 100W iron, buy it is only about 40W on idle and can climb to 80W temporarily.
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it's not worth it. there this iron, it is much cheaper and pretty much same performance:
https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html (https://www.banggood.com/MINI-TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html)
there are reviews on youtube.
It's portable soldering iron and not good for general work (I have one). Completely uncomfortable grip and large tip to grip distance. Good for soldering a few components but not for tens of them.
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buy it is only about 40W on idle and can climb to 80W temporarily.
No such iron needs 80W constantly, only for a short moment while heating up or touching solder joint until tip temperature is restored. Constant 80W will make it red hot and burn the heater.
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I have the TS100. Great portable iron. Runs of a few different power sources.
I spliced a length of silicon cable onto an IBM laptop charger and it works a treat
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No such iron needs 80W constantly, only for a short moment while hearing up or touching solder joint until tip temperature is restored. Constant 80W will make it red hot and burn the heater.
I've experienced this with a 40W firestick in my youth (didn't know any better at the time as I was a kid, let alone squat about ESD). |O
Having used firesticks, Curie Point stations*, and feedback temperature controlled stations (thermocouple, ... at or near the tip), there's no comparison between firesticks or firestick + light dimmer vs. either Curie Point or thermally controlled stations IME.
FWIW, I find saving enough funds for a proper quality station to begin with both a better choice as well as less expensive in the long run. Heating tech aside, don't discount ergonomics, as you'll use an iron far more frequently than either a hot air station or desolder tool/station.
* They're absolutely brilliant for production IME, but they're not as cost-effective for bench/repair/hobbyist use IME due to the replication of a given tip shape/profile if more than one temp is needed.
I spliced a length of silicon cable onto an IBM laptop charger and it works a treat
Silicone cable... brilliant. :-+
Regardless, the TS-100 is better than butane for temp control, and certainly cheaper than the portable temp controlled stations I've seen from Weller.
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I cant take credit for the cable idea. It was suggested by Gyro on here. It is a great idea though