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Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« on: June 28, 2011, 04:27:57 am »
I made some observations about the DMM holsters, test leads, management of cables,
and I like to share them will all of you.

Those are from the details, that the one who loves perfection he should be aware of.

On the pictures bellow there is :
The Fluke 87V holster ( No DMM )
The Fluke 28II with the original holster and test leads.
The Agilent U1272A with the original holster and test leads.
Additionally the is the  “ Premium “ Fluke test leads TL- 71,
Guest Star: one small UNI-T 30D dressed up as Fluke  87V  ( it acts as photo model) :-)   


Now before any one makes any comment, I will say upfront that I did cheated,
and kept the 87V holster as spare. 

Now let’s focus on the real subject.
That is the details that it does matter.

About the Fluke 28II as you can see, the cables that comes with it,
they have  be made in a such way that it was pre calculated the length and the shrouded bananas size ( length),
and so when you turn the cables on the body of the DMM, and secure the test leads at the back, looks clean and tidy.

The same clean and tidy look, it should be there with the 87V too, with the original leads TL-75. (I have never tried it as long I had it)

At the Agilent U1272A I had some difficulty to find the best way to wrap the cables on the body, but I found the way “the only way”,
the cables just look to be a bit longer than needed so to archive one clean and tidy look, but the longer test leads,
they do keep the cables in a position , that they are securely attached on the body.

Unfortunately, they had not calculated that the long shrouded bananas corners will cause such of problem of harmony, with the DMM body.
Even so the specific test leads, even if they look and possibly are made by the old good & known CHI SHING,
they are special version, softer and with anti-slip characteristics, similar to the Fluke TL-75 ones.
I do own two original sets of CHI SHING test leads, nice probes from hard plastic, but not as pleasurable to the touch,
with the ones stamped as Agilent and more specifically the U1169A test leads set.

Now about the Fluke premium test leads I made one sad discovery today.
This is sad mostly for me, because I had pay full price so to get them !!
Well it looks that the finger guards was not made properly, so to fit on the Fluke holsters,
and so they do not get in place with out using extreme force.
I did try those TL-71 in both holsters of 87V & 28II, and faced the same big problem,
the test leads has wrong external dimensions and large finger guards.
And the point is that I can not blame even the room temperature of 28C for this problem, like that it softens a bit the rubber surfaces.
Their length in longer than what is needed for one clean and tidy look on the holster,
and the shrouded bananas with the more over-sized corners do not help either.

The TL-75 cables (standard test leads) gets with less force in place, in both Fluke holsters.
And the Agilent U1272A comes as clear winner of the pack,
due the fact that U1169A (test leads) gets on the U1272A body (holster) with a very gentle manner,
and even so, they stay securely in place.

My current advice is to not get the Premium test leads,
if you have the habit to secure the cables and test leads on those yellow holsters.
I like my own  TL-71 set, but I would have to use them only for bench work,
and keep them stored in my hard case, or in a soft case, but never on the holster.


Check the pictures bellow, full size direct from the camera.   
« Last Edit: June 28, 2011, 04:35:57 am by Kiriakos-GR »
 

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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2011, 09:46:39 am »
You miss one point: Fluke sells cables that are supposed to fit all DMS manufactured by them.
It would be impossible to find a size that will fit snugly all DMM's available at the time, or even previous ones.

I, for one, do not keep the cables wrapped on the DMM's that I have. Just rolled them round the meter in it's C35 Soft Carrying Case.
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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 02:21:10 pm »
For some reason the C35 was not easily available at Europe.
About 10 months back there was limited stock even in the USA too.
And because of that reason I got the C25,
this one has a different external material that looks like leather,
and had an price of 32$ on April 2010 that I got my holster from USA, the C35 was equally priced back them.

I just checked today about the C35 and noticed that it is again available, and at very low price this time like, 16$ !!
In comparison, the Agilent U1174A Soft Carrying Case , with identical external look with the C35 retails to 25$.

If you can post a picture of the inner layout of the C35 (with out DMM in it) , I would be very happy. ( 1024x768)
So to add it in my collection.

About cables and length, I need to find one copy of the latest Fluke accessories compatibility chart.
If Fluke has listed as compatible the TL71 for the 87V and 28II, this is an mistake.
If they do not get on those holsters, they should not be listed as compatible,
just because the bananas get in them.     
 





 

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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 03:28:16 pm »
Fluke updated their DMM and test leads models ( before two months) and the TL-71 to TL71-1  and the TL75 to TL75-1.

Check for more here .. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=3948.0
 
 

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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 10:52:50 pm »
If I catch anyone tightly wrapping my meter leads around the device body like that I'll chase them with a bamboo stick! Yes I know it is convenient and that (too) many do it. But reality is that it is probably the greatest single cause of premature test lead failure from continual tight wrapping and unwrapping.  Coil them loosely they will last for ages.

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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 02:10:51 am »
I found a graphic about the 35C,  looks almost identical inside with the Agilent U1174A.
The only difference that I has spotted, looks to be the strap for the DMM.
Agilent uses an Velcro pad that is at the right side , and holds the DMM, by offering free space at the left side,
for the test leads, and its like an second independent free compartment.

I would still like to see an real picture of the C35.

 
 

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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2011, 10:02:18 am »
Here is the real picture, as requested (without DMM inside).

The strap is very usefull, the meter cannot "escape" in any situation. The only drawback I see is that it covers the rotary switch of the DMM and markings partially, but it can still be rotated without problems.
That also can be because the case is not meters-specific, it must handle more than one model. I use it for housing a 189 and 179 meters, it can handle both, but of course it has more space inside with 179 than 189. If you put many cables in the pocket, it will bulge slightly but it will close without effort.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2011, 10:07:30 am by ipman »
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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 06:11:54 pm »
I forgot to add: the strap is in fact a two part velcro, it can be closed even below the meter if required.
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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 07:17:33 pm »
Thank you @ipman .

I added you picture in my collection of products by Fluke !!  :)

This comparison of soft cases it would not be complete,
with out this last picture.
" My apologies to the brand loyal s  :D "

The super sized 28II , on the Agilent case,
fits nice in it, and the velcro strap is almost at the right spot.
Both Velcro  strap ends , are permanently fixed at the bottom of it .
I bet that the 87V would feel better in it, more comfy.  ( Its a bit smaller)

But due to the street price difference in those two cases, probably all the Agilent boys will buy a Fluke case !! LoL

The compatibility of the Agilent case with the latest U1271A & U1272A its given.
Works like a perfect glove.

   


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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2011, 05:20:37 am »
The Agilent one seems to have the ends of the velcro under the meter. The Fluke one has them on the very edges.
Also the Fluke one has the strap wider than the Agilent one as far as I can see.
Otherwise they seem pretty much the same.
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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2011, 02:19:56 am »
The Agilent one seems to have the ends of the velcro under the meter. The Fluke one has them on the very edges.
Also the Fluke one has the strap wider than the Agilent one as far as I can see.
Otherwise they seem pretty much the same.

Your observations are correct, but if I would had to make a choice, I would pick the Agilent,
due the fact that I can store the test leads next to the DMM.
And the fact that I can use the the front cover pocket, to store a thermocouple K type,
or even the magnetic hanger kit.
 

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Re: Holsters & cables management Agilent VS Fluke
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2011, 07:52:36 pm »
That can be done even with the Fluke one. Even better, you can strap the meter along with probes at the same time. The probes will not scratch the meter.
Also the pocket is very large. I use it to store a 1ACII electrical tester, a set of probes, cables, screwdriver, thermocouple and AC220 crocs. Quite large.
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