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Offline shabaz

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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2024, 10:07:56 pm »
Hi,

Few points in brief:

(1) All SDG videos are excellent, but you may be focusing on parts of it not as relevant for your use-case. You may want to focus on the soldering of typical components, and for that, you'll be unlikely to experience any issue between the top brands. If you're soldering a very large part very rarely, then you may be prepared to wait the extra few seconds for instance (it's a decision you need to make).

(2) Unless you're unlucky, consider tip life will be at least a decade for any decent brand, since you're not doing production work.

(3) When it comes to purchasing, consider import duty + import handling fees in case they apply (they often do between countries (unless they are both member states of the EU).
 
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2024, 02:51:35 am »
@shabaz

Hi, thank you very much for the advice.

Regarding the Pace ADS200 I saw the video by SDG and the one by EEVblog, both found the same problems, I have to say that it didn't convince me, the hakko fx-888d was almost better despite using the old tip heating technology.

I totally agree, I will certainly never find myself doing soldering that requires as much power as those seen in the video, more than anything I look at the parts where the pins are soldered on the through holes, which are more typical soldering as you rightly told me.

Well I'm happy that the tips last for many years, for me it's important, it's exactly what I want.

Yes, even on Aliexpress for example you have to pay attention to customs duties, luckily the JBC BT-2BWA and also the I-CON NANO MK2 are both available on European shops, I shouldn't have any problems.

Thanks again. See you soon. Bye
 

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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2024, 05:41:14 am »
I have a JBC and ADS200. JBC wins on heat transfer but pens are delicate, i almost feel i have to babysit them, handling carefully. ADS pens are Much more robust construction. My daily driver is the ADS200.
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2024, 12:12:37 pm »
I have a JBC and ADS200. JBC wins on heat transfer but pens are delicate, i almost feel i have to babysit them, handling carefully. ADS pens are Much more robust construction. My daily driver is the ADS200.

Unfortunately, I think a perfect soldering station doesn't exist, you have to compromise, in some European shops the PACE ADS200 costs more compared to the JBC BT-2BWA, I also found it in this shop but you have to inquire about shipping costs and customs fees:

https://gokimco.com/products/pace-ads200-accudrive-soldering-station-w-td-200-4-tip-bundle

Here the ADS200 PLUS costs $309.00, but the same applies as before for shipping costs to Italy and customs duties.

https://paceworldwide.com/ads200-soldering-station-td-200-tip-heater-cartridge-iron

As I said, the 80w of the I-CON NANO MK2 are definitely enough for me, even if I read that the NANO is a station more suitable for soldering SMD components.
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2024, 09:54:01 pm »
JBC wins on heat transfer but pens are delicate, i almost feel i have to babysit them, handling carefully. ADS pens are Much more robust construction. My daily driver is the ADS200.
JBC T245-A handle is made of plastic and unrepairable, the cable cannot be replaced... But JBC T245-A handle lasts many years. No special problems. I use it at work. I think that the handle was bought in 2009.
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2024, 08:54:21 am »
As I said, the 80w of the I-CON NANO MK2 are definitely enough for me, even if I read that the NANO is a station more suitable for soldering SMD components.
Where did you find that nonsense?  :-DD

SMD components can be every bit as demanding as THT — inductors and power MOSFETs are classic examples of components where the SMD versions are more challenging to solder than THT because of the much larger thermal masses directly on the pads.
 

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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2024, 08:58:17 am »
I have a JBC and ADS200. JBC wins on heat transfer but pens are delicate, i almost feel i have to babysit them, handling carefully. ADS pens are Much more robust construction. My daily driver is the ADS200.
My old workplace was a vocational training center, where the users are primarily first-year apprentices (i.e. not necessarily the gentlest users), and they had only T245 handpieces. They have proven to be more than sufficiently robust.

And if one were to fail, one place where JBC is surprisingly inexpensive is the cost of the handpiece. A replacement T245 is far cheaper than a Pace or Ersa handpiece.
 
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2024, 12:02:08 pm »
As I said, the 80w of the I-CON NANO MK2 are definitely enough for me, even if I read that the NANO is a station more suitable for soldering SMD components.
Where did you find that nonsense?  :-DD

SMD components can be every bit as demanding as THT — inductors and power MOSFETs are classic examples of components where the SMD versions are more challenging to solder than THT because of the much larger thermal masses directly on the pads.

Actually it was a comment from a user that I read on the forum, but I remembered wrong, in reality the user was not referring to the power of the station but to the size of the tips, he said that the tip of the largest chisel is only 2.0 mm wide. Anyway it is an old post from 2014, it has no importance.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/need-reocommendation-for-soldering-iron/msg374868/#msg374868

Instead I realize now that the new icon nano mk2 has 68w unlike the 80w icon nano model, but I don't think 12w makes a difference.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/ersa-i-con-nano-and-nano-mk2-differences/msg5640265/#msg5640265

I found the i-CON NANO MK2 in Italy for 289€ and free shipping.
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2024, 12:19:36 pm »
Quote from: tooki
A replacement T245 is far cheaper than a Pace or Ersa handpiece.

I use that "feature" to economise a bit with a single iron station and just buy another handle so I can manually swap between T210 (regular use for me) and T245 for larger joints. Only viable if one handle is used a lot less frequently of course.
 

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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2024, 01:22:34 pm »
Actually it was a comment from a user that I read on the forum, but I remembered wrong, in reality the user was not referring to the power of the station but to the size of the tips, he said that the tip of the largest chisel is only 2.0 mm wide. Anyway it is an old post from 2014, it has no importance.
Well that is completely untrue, both now and then. The largest chisel is 10mm I think. The nano and pico use the same tips as the “big” icon stations.

Instead I realize now that the new icon nano mk2 has 68w unlike the 80w icon nano model, but I don't think 12w makes a difference.
That is incorrect. They have the same power. Read my reply two posts down from the one you linked to: Ersa has always been really bad about specifying wattage, sometimes stating the peak power (80W for the nano/pico) or continuous power (68W for nano/pico).
 
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Re: Home soldering station... ADS200 or ???
« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2024, 03:31:32 pm »
@tooki

Thanks for the clarification, I admit that I did not understand that the 68w declared about the i-CON nano Mk2 was the continuous power.

As I said I found the i-CON nano Mk2 on .conrad.it at €289.01, and the JBC BT-2BWA on welectron.com at €306.54, with the JBC BT-2BWA the tip is included in the price (C245-907 2.2x1.0 mm), with the i-CON nano Mk2 an ERSADUR chisel-shaped tip is included.

https://www.conrad.it/it/p/ersa-0ic1205a-stazione-di-saldatura-80-w-150-450-c-2902007.html

https://www.welectron.com/JBC-BT-2BWA-Soldering-Station

So to solder the pins on my SHT45 sensor I should order a second finer tip, here too the price difference of the tips is about €10, €22.58 Ersa 102 PD LF 04, and €31.68 the JBC C245-032 Soldering Tip Ø0.4, It is not clear whether the JBC BT-2BWA comes with both handpieces, T470 and T210.

https://www.conrad.it/it/p/ersa-102-pd-lf-04-punta-di-saldatura-forma-matita-ersadur-dimensione-punta-0-4-mm-contenuto-1-pz-588390.html

https://www.welectron.com/JBC-C245-032-Soldering-Tip-R04-mm-Conical-Straight

The final cost is 38€ difference, Now I'm not sure what additional tip I really need, but the chisel tip seems too wide to solder the pins of the SHT45, Ø0.4 is maybe even too thin.
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