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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #350 on: May 07, 2018, 07:25:33 pm »
Has this thread jinxed the ADS200 by calling it a "JBC killer"?

All smartphones branded by media and fans as "iPhone killer" only managed to kill themselves...  >:D
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #351 on: May 07, 2018, 09:50:46 pm »
Has this thread jinxed the ADS200 by calling it a "JBC killer"?

All smartphones branded by media and fans as "iPhone killer" only managed to kill themselves...  >:D
Not stupersticious are you?  :scared:  FWIW, Pace would be analogous to Apple in this case (albeit with an iffy product launch..)
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #352 on: May 07, 2018, 09:55:47 pm »
FWIW, Pace would be analogous to Apple in this case (albeit with an iffy product launch..)
Why? The thread did not declare JBC a Pace killer, so Pace can't be Apple. Pace is more like Nokia.  :box:
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #353 on: May 07, 2018, 10:01:29 pm »
Has this thread jinxed the ADS200 by calling it a "JBC killer"?

All smartphones branded by media and fans as "iPhone killer" only managed to kill themselves...  >:D
Not stupersticious are you?  :scared:  FWIW, Pace would be analogous to Apple in this case (albeit with an iffy product launch..)

No Pace would have to be the Android model here.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #354 on: May 08, 2018, 02:07:09 pm »
Subbing for updates  :-+
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #355 on: May 08, 2018, 11:04:55 pm »
Hello just checking in on the setback stand and firmware update?  are these available now?

Far as I can tell, we're still waiting. TEquipment is completely of stock and I've seen no new announcements anywhere. I'm thinking they're being a little more thorough this time with testing and QC before "going gold".

More than that by just watching my order and knowing some others that ordered it looks like they recalled the initial release batch.  So no.. not apple, they dont want whatever defect it was getting to far out there.

That said i got mine a few weeks ago with a 1/8 chisel that works just peachy. Very nice upgrade from my basic weller. Literally just got the mount bracket a few minutes ago from ups.  I'd rather wait for the rest of my tips than be suspicious of them dying on me so i dont really mind.

That said would love to know what happened with them if anyone hears something from pace
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #356 on: May 09, 2018, 04:54:10 am »
Subbing for updates  :-+

Notify button at top and bottom of page should also perform same functionality without wasted post.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #357 on: May 11, 2018, 09:38:12 pm »
At a retail price of $239 Pace is probably selling them at about $150 to distributors.  Seems too low for a quality unit that would compete with a precision brand like JBC.  Productions costs in China are on the rise and their workers are no longer making $0.50/hour.  Maybe they are planning to make up the low unit cost in tips (i.e. inkjet printer concept).  Maybe they hope to sell at least one unit to every eevblog subscriber and their neighbor.  Hand soldering going mainstream.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #358 on: May 11, 2018, 10:27:30 pm »
At a retail price of $239 Pace is probably selling them at about $150 to distributors.  Seems too low for a quality unit that would compete with a precision brand like JBC.  Productions costs in China are on the rise and their workers are no longer making $0.50/hour.  Maybe they are planning to make up the low unit cost in tips (i.e. inkjet printer concept).  Maybe they hope to sell at least one unit to every eevblog subscriber and their neighbor.  Hand soldering going mainstream.

The tips are supposed to be low cost as well, ~$11USD compared to $22USD for Hakko T15 tips. Unless you're implying they won't last long, which would be counter to Pace's history.

I was going to get a FX-951, but the ADS200 is the same price, has 60% more power, cheaper tips, and should be higher quality. Definitely going to get a the Pace once the firmware and tip quality issues are fleshed out.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #359 on: May 11, 2018, 10:52:42 pm »
At a retail price of $239 Pace is probably selling them at about $150 to distributors.  Seems too low for a quality unit that would compete with a precision brand like JBC.  Productions costs in China are on the rise and their workers are no longer making $0.50/hour.  Maybe they are planning to make up the low unit cost in tips (i.e. inkjet printer concept).  Maybe they hope to sell at least one unit to every eevblog subscriber and their neighbor.  Hand soldering going mainstream.

These are made in the US.   I suspect they are banking on existing tooling and economies of scale because many components seem to be similar or the same as their other products.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #360 on: May 12, 2018, 02:53:24 pm »
At a retail price of $239 Pace is probably selling them at about $150 to distributors.  Seems too low for a quality unit that would compete with a precision brand like JBC.  Productions costs in China are on the rise and their workers are no longer making $0.50/hour.  Maybe they are planning to make up the low unit cost in tips (i.e. inkjet printer concept).  Maybe they hope to sell at least one unit to every eevblog subscriber and their neighbor.  Hand soldering going mainstream.

These are made in the US.   I suspect they are banking on existing tooling and economies of scale because many components seem to be similar or the same as their other products.

Wow I did not realize Pace makes their soldering stations in US.  Even if "makes" means all components / modules are coming in from China and it takes them 5 minutes to put them together.  The fact that it will have Made in the USA on the label at this price point is impressive.   
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #361 on: May 20, 2018, 03:44:34 pm »
Any updates? I pre-ordered mine over two months ago.  ???
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #362 on: May 20, 2018, 04:09:37 pm »
Any updates? I pre-ordered mine over two months ago.  ???

Not heard anything, we are all in the same boat.
I ordered a refill for my Pace fiber cleaning tool to tide me over.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #363 on: May 21, 2018, 02:27:08 am »
Looks like a rebrand of a cleaning tool from Eraser Co.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #364 on: May 21, 2018, 11:21:59 pm »
Looks like a rebrand of a cleaning tool from Eraser Co.

The Eraser Co. versions are somewhat similar in concept, however I believe Pace actually have made those Fibreglass/Sponge cleaning tools for at least 25 years (at least that's how long I've had mine). They're for sale by themselves as well as included with the PRC2000 sets: https://www.paceworldwide.com/products/accessories/tip-maintenance-station-

 
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #365 on: May 23, 2018, 10:09:32 pm »
TEquipment now lists the Pace ADS200 with setback stand. Maybe coming soon! Though not quite the same discount as the bare-bones model.

https://www.tequipment.net/Pace/ADS200-8007-0579/Soldering-Stations/?b=y&v=126323
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #366 on: May 23, 2018, 11:35:20 pm »
TEquipment now lists the Pace ADS200 with setback stand. Maybe coming soon! Though quite not the same discount as the bare-bones model.

https://www.tequipment.net/Pace/ADS200-8007-0579/Soldering-Stations/?b=y&v=126323
Even with ISB stand, that $265 MSRP still looks very competitive. Who else delivers 120watts in that range?
Perhaps the long delay is because they're so serious on production-level perfection.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #367 on: May 24, 2018, 12:20:47 am »
TEquipment now lists the Pace ADS200 with setback stand. Maybe coming soon! Though quite not the same discount as the bare-bones model.

https://www.tequipment.net/Pace/ADS200-8007-0579/Soldering-Stations/?b=y&v=126323
Even with ISB stand, that $265 MSRP still looks very competitive. Who else delivers 120watts in that range?
Perhaps the long delay is because they're so serious on production-level perfection.

Tequipments sale price is $252 for the ISB combo so that is $237 if they do the EEVblog discount, and free US shipping. That's pretty sweet :D.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #368 on: May 24, 2018, 08:27:01 am »
For being as poor as I am, I am rather interested in this new soldering station. I'm a bit disappointed with my current one and wouldn't mind (too much at least) investing for something which should be future proof.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #369 on: May 24, 2018, 11:21:54 am »
I have a decision problem:

wait until this becomes available in europe for a decent price, or go for the Unisolder DIY approach.

Any comments?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #370 on: May 24, 2018, 12:28:42 pm »
I have a decision problem:
wait until this becomes available in europe for a decent price, or go for the Unisolder DIY approach. Any comments?

I considered the Unisolder when it first came out, if you use a high power handle that has a decent tip range you don't need to consider multiple handle compatibility though, so seemed a bit of a waste and of extra effort.

So then I was considering "high end" high power handle of about $100 and DIY my own power supply and user interface with adjustable temp, put it in a nice case, controls where I like them etc.

Really Pace have done the same thing here with the ADS200, way cheaper in time and effort than DIY and hits all the marks, a nice user interface, metal construction. There is nothing really not to like about it. Tip range, price, company, and based on their past series the Accudrive range has room to expand. Big red LEDs is like icing on the cake for me.

I've ordered a couple so am looking forward to that, will run two handles and try the tweezers later when they are done.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #371 on: May 25, 2018, 10:24:29 pm »
I had some downtime today, so I spoke with the TEquipment rep that handles Pace line. He said no ETA yet. So I'll keep waiting and hope my Weller doesn't die in the meantime. It's over 20. A while back, I had to cut and shorten the cord at the strain relief.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #372 on: May 27, 2018, 01:51:34 am »
Dyaxxis,

How are those cleaning tools used?  Sponge vs Fiberglass? 

Also, speaking of fiberglass, I was thinking of buy a fiberglass cleaner/scratch brush for removing flux, but then I read about how messy and dangerous they can be (with out goggles), is there a decent flux tool besides these scratch brushes?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #373 on: May 27, 2018, 02:33:01 am »
How are those cleaning tools used?  Sponge vs Fiberglass?

Essentially, they were designed by Pace to use with a brushing motion to clean off "speciality tips", like the "IC" removal tips. Here's a nice video which shows how they can be used:



Over the years, I've actually learned much cheaper, milder, yet very effective methods to clean my soldering iron tips. Believe it or not, I use this method:



Only difference is that I use a high-temp silicon pad with piece of "low-lint flux residue removal fabric" if I think a Kimwipe would not be sufficient.

Also, speaking of fiberglass, I was thinking of buy a fiberglass cleaner/scratch brush for removing flux, but then I read about how messy and dangerous they can be (with out goggles), is there a decent flux tool besides these scratch brushes?

Unless there's absolutely no alternative, I personally am not too keen on using abrasive techniques to remove "dried/hardened" flux. I use a safe solvent along with a Kimwipe or a "disposable lint-free cloth."
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #374 on: May 27, 2018, 07:45:04 pm »
Also, speaking of fiberglass, I was thinking of buy a fiberglass cleaner/scratch brush for removing flux, but then I read about how messy and dangerous they can be (with out goggles), is there a decent flux tool besides these scratch brushes?
Removing flux residue with a fiber brush? No. Use flux remover solvent.
The fiberglass brush is for cleaning corrosion on surfaces that will not be soldered, like battery contacts.
 


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