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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #850 on: December 31, 2018, 12:49:44 am »


On Dave's teardown it can be clearly seen that 230(240)V version has two primary windings in series. It doesn't have 120/240V switch but trafo is universal, at least that one was...

Interesting. I watched the video again. It would appear that there are two primary windings. However, Dave didn't mention that. And while he has it apart, he says "It's not switchable. You have to get the correct transformer for your region."

Has anyone confirmed that there are are actually two primaries?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #851 on: December 31, 2018, 01:04:16 am »
BTW, I'm wondering which tips everyone is using? Does, say an Ultra series 3/32 chisel tip have a large performance difference over a 3/32 Standard series chisel tip? Any reason not to use Ultra over the Standard or vice versa.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #852 on: December 31, 2018, 09:35:14 pm »
Like labjr, I am also interested in any feedback on the tips, especially in regards to the Standard vs Ultra-Performance version of the same tips--basically, are they worth the upgrade?  Also, is TEquipment is actually stocking most of the tips now? --as they don't seem to show parts with live/current inventory and I don't want to buy the station then have to wait for a bunch of tips to come back in stock.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #853 on: January 01, 2019, 12:47:56 pm »
If the 240V version really does have a transformer with two primary windings and all I need to do is add a voltage selector switch, that would change my decision about buying this station.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #854 on: January 01, 2019, 01:06:41 pm »
I wonder why not having select from the factory.

Anyway, it's interesting to see good old mains transformers. I thought everyone migrated to smps due to cost and weight. Esp. because there are ready commercial modules of all flavors. A good smsps has universal 90-260V input :). Probably, the argument here will be the same as why it doesn't have a better screen, rotary encoder and flashable firmware.

Concerning tip technology, I wonder how Pace compares to Chinese t12 clones.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #855 on: January 01, 2019, 03:05:01 pm »
I understand the theory behind the Ultra series tips. Provides a flywheel effect. But would like to know if the extra mass of the Ultra series tips has a noticeable effect on performance in real world application. I'd think a 120w station would be able to keep up while using regular tips. The cost difference is negligible. I'd just rather not have a larger mass obstructing my view any more than necessary. Especially while soldering small stuff.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #856 on: January 02, 2019, 03:00:38 am »
I like high performance tips but can't comment much on noticeable thermal effects of smaller tips (like 1130-0013 foreground) since much of my work is heavy duty (100w iron shown for comparison).
On the big 1131-0055 tip there's a problem.. I'm now on my 2nd unit after >30,000 components desoldered and it's likely because the stand can catch on the tip during removal. The aluminum casting on the stand needed some beveling to stop big hot tips from pulling out and dropping off my bench  |O
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #857 on: January 03, 2019, 12:22:48 am »
Where is the firmware history for the ADS-200?
This fellow upgrades from 1.2 to 1.3 to stop temperature display readings from wandering around.
It's a socketed PLCC MCU swap.



hmm, my video, they sent that firmware pretty fast after my first video and comment on the bouncing display.  I was just searching around the web to see if there was a firmware change-log and to see if they had a new firmware revision.  There has been no issues that I have seen so far with the 1.3 I installed in that video, but I was curious what changes if any they made between that and the 1.4 firmware.  I guess I will just need to contact pace again to get the info.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #858 on: January 03, 2019, 12:51:27 am »
...I was just searching around the web to see if there was a firmware change-log and to see if they had a new firmware revision.  There has been no issues that I have seen so far with the 1.3 I installed in that video, but I was curious what changes if any they made between that and the 1.4 firmware.  I guess I will just need to contact pace again to get the info.
That's rare.. not many have 1-3!! There seems to be all the final refinements working in 1-4 (you will like it especially if you have the ISB stand, because when the display says OFF, a removal turns the iron on but the display continues saying OFF..).
 
The 1-4 announcement was October 1st: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/newest-pace-ads200-production-station-(a-jbc-killer-at-$239)/msg1863201/#msg1863201
1-3 to 1-4 change log was Oct 11th: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/newest-pace-ads200-production-station-(a-jbc-killer-at-$239)/msg1886375/#msg1886375
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #859 on: January 03, 2019, 01:09:51 am »

That's rare.. not many have 1-3!! There seems to be all the final refinements working in 1-4 (you will like it especially if you have the ISB stand, because when the display says OFF, a removal turns the iron on but the display continues saying OFF..).
 
The 1-4 announcement was October 1st: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/newest-pace-ads200-production-station-(a-jbc-killer-at-$239)/msg1863201/#msg1863201
1-3 to 1-4 change log was Oct 11th: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/manufacture/newest-pace-ads200-production-station-(a-jbc-killer-at-$239)/msg1886375/#msg1886375

Yeah, they sent me 1.3 shortly after I did my unboxing/quick first impression video in response to the display bouncing comments.   I wanted to use the iron for a while before I did a full proper review of it rather than rushing something out, sort of a "I have used this as my only iron  for 6 months, here is the verdict".  The video that I quoted was when I installed the 1.3 :)  It did fix things over the 1.2. 

Really rare you say? XD  *looks around to see if there is a rare pace collectors market* jk :>  I buy tools to be used.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #860 on: January 03, 2019, 01:26:42 am »
Hi EEVbloggers!

This is Aaron from PACE Worldwide, here to answer your questions about the new ADS200 AccuDrive Soldering Station (finally)! Sorry it’s taken this long, but I don’t get online as much as I should. I’ll try to answer some of the questions I’ve seen in this thread. Please feel free to comment.

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Mini-Tweezers: I showed one of the prototypes to ransonjd (EEVblog member who mentioned that he soldered the pennies together at the APEX Show), and this handpiece will become available in mid-Summer. It will be compatible with the ADS200 only, not previous PACE soldering stations (ST 50, WJS 100, etc). We have a ton of tooling on this handpiece, and some of the longer lead-time items will take up to 3 months to receive after final design.

...

I’d be glad to answer any other questions you have. Please feel free to comment below!

Best,

Aaron from PACE

I looks like they are still not available.  Any update? 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #861 on: January 03, 2019, 01:40:00 am »



I looks like they are still not available.  Any update?

You having memory issues?

How are the tweezers coming along?   The blue rubber on the ones I use are now shot.  The rubber has started to fall apart and it's very sticky.   I looked on PACE's site along with Jensen Tools to get a new set and it seems that no parts are available for the tweezers beyond the tips.  At $200, I would expect to be able to maintain them.   Hope when/if you produce tweezers for the new station, you keep that same size and feel plus offer replacement parts.

You're right about the lack of replacement parts for the MT-100. But we do have replacement grips for your handpiece. It's called the MT-100 Lead-Free Soft Grips PN 1119-0177-P2 ($41.47 pair) and they only come in "lead-free green" color as we can no supply the original blue colored grip.

We are still working on an ADS200-compatible thermal tweezer that will be introduced at late January's IPC Apex Show in San Diego.

I'll pass your comments on to the PACE team.

Thanks,

Aaron
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #862 on: January 03, 2019, 01:59:26 am »
Is it me or does this forum and specifically this topic generate bad/broken HTML code for URLs? The URL always seems broken when I receive an email with a reply. I'm thinking special characters are messing up the HTML code?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #863 on: January 03, 2019, 02:20:45 am »
I think you can go back and edit the URL right? BTW, here's one hi-rez pic that shows the big-tip catch issue.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #864 on: January 03, 2019, 02:22:41 am »



I looks like they are still not available.  Any update?

You having memory issues?

How are the tweezers coming along?   The blue rubber on the ones I use are now shot.  The rubber has started to fall apart and it's very sticky.   I looked on PACE's site along with Jensen Tools to get a new set and it seems that no parts are available for the tweezers beyond the tips.  At $200, I would expect to be able to maintain them.   Hope when/if you produce tweezers for the new station, you keep that same size and feel plus offer replacement parts.

You're right about the lack of replacement parts for the MT-100. But we do have replacement grips for your handpiece. It's called the MT-100 Lead-Free Soft Grips PN 1119-0177-P2 ($41.47 pair) and they only come in "lead-free green" color as we can no supply the original blue colored grip.

We are still working on an ADS200-compatible thermal tweezer that will be introduced at late January's IPC Apex Show in San Diego.

I'll pass your comments on to the PACE team.

Thanks,

Aaron

I was just looking for a date when I could actually buy them.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #865 on: January 03, 2019, 02:27:47 am »
I think you can go back and edit the URL right?

Every time I receive an email notification about this thread, it's a bad link. I have to cut and paste the link. It's rather difficult to do with a phone. I think the forum software is generating bad HTML code.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #866 on: January 03, 2019, 09:56:16 am »
I was just looking for a date when I could actually buy them.

IPC Apex is at the end of January so will probably be announced then.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #867 on: January 03, 2019, 12:52:58 pm »
I was just looking for a date when I could actually buy them.

IPC Apex is at the end of January so will probably be announced then.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #868 on: January 04, 2019, 03:46:00 pm »
Yes,yes, please go ahead and do it and share with us how it goes, and do not forget about plating the tips your fun project will be worthless without.

 ::)  :clap:

Man you need to be less of a dick. In fact, Unisolder shows that it can be done by hobbyists.

Leverage the difficult-for-hobbyists hardware (tip fabrication, hand piece) part built by others, and exploit cheap manufacturing of PCBs + shift burden to software which is quick to iterate.

There's a reason most American manufacturers died off, they couldn't decouple their slow-moving processes from processes that needed to move faster. I hope Pace can keep up and isn't kept alive by "buy American" diehards like me.


Sorry to disappoint you but , from engineering standpoint, Unisolder is horrible engineering. It is horribly overspecified on BOM, left in beta stage of development, and is exactly what you call it: something being done by hobbyist, who will do it for fun doing it, and not because it will provide excellent service and be economical. And you can tweak it and experiment with it and have fun.

There is nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong, but if you buy soldering station as a tool, ADS200 is highly professional tool for a fantastic price.

I solder for 40 years, and I can tell you that I never said " oh my, I wouldn't care if my soldering iron  has enough power to melt this connector, if only I had wanky 8" touch screen that will show animations and fancy graphs..." I couldn't care less. If soldering iron had good regulation, had good tips and had enough power for the job, you would pretty much never look at the screen.
Frankly, to me it is refreshing that Pace keeps making top quality "old school" equipment, instead of new trend that behaves like pro tools should be like digital toys for gaming... More design that substance..

I'm waiting for a new thermal tweezers for ADS200 to be released, and will then buy ADS200 + tweezers. I think nothing else on market has so good price/performance.

 :-DD Maybe in those 40 years of soldering you shoulda learned not to put words in people's mouths

Nobody's asking for a 8" ipad screen, but what I want is something that can even compete with a Weller's $99 1010na's cheap LCD screen. Or ideally something like Metcal's CV500's cheap 2.8" screen.

Because, unlike what you've learned, there's a wealth of information and features that help reproducible, reliable soldering: production lockout, preset temp/heat combos, sequenced temp changes, real-time graphs of temp/heat...and metcal can even diagnose solder connection quality. Pro's solder smarter.

Of course, this wouldn't be eevblog if some grognard didn't bitch about having to do things uphill both ways in the snow and liking it

Also waiting on the tweezers, and maybe a new Sodr-Xtractor/hot air pencil.



 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #869 on: January 04, 2019, 04:24:35 pm »

First, all the best in a New Year..

Not putting words in your mouth, wasn't my intention, just illustrating the point...

LOL grognard... haven't heard that one in years...

You cannot be farther from truth... I embrace smarter and better without hint of luddism...
It's just that lately lots of new stuff is not better, just more technicolor...

Soldering iron can have advanced soldering profile without touch screen.
Soldering profiles are exactly something i would pay to get, because it is important sometimes. Some of the soldering stations with very low thermal mass are actually heating some components too fast.

Presets are great if you mix soldering targets and technologies. Lockout is also great but is used exactly where you don't want grunts changing parameters when you turn your back.

Real time graphs look cool but not really necessary, i can see how solder melts... Metcal solder quality diagnosys is a non-feature.. It's a timer...

I just want soldering iron to work well. If you are busy doing your work, you don't look at soldering iron's screen... You look at the stuff you are working on..
I agree that they could have put more of screen, but in the end not a problem.
I don't mind graphic screen if that's not only feature... I don't want style over substance.. And not prepared to pay more for colour screen on equally performing soldering station.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #870 on: January 05, 2019, 05:28:58 am »
I am pulling the trigger on a ADS200 with Instant SetBack and wondered if anyone can help me on this.

I plan to get 5-6 tips and wondered if anyone having one for a while can help with the selection of tips to buy.

I was a tech for 30 years but now will be using this as a hobbyist. We just had the Weller WES51 that I used.

Most of the time I will be building kits with thru hole but will also do some that also have SMD LED RGB chips and other SMD IC components.
It will be used for soldering and also desoldering with solder wick.

One of the tips would be a 1/4 or 5/16 chisel but just do not know what the other 4-5 tips should be to cover 95% of the solder jobs I might get into.

Any help on size, type and standard or ultra performance for each of the 5-6 tips would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #871 on: January 05, 2019, 07:01:30 am »
Use a bent conical for SMD LEDs (1131-0003), and get a hoof/MiniWave tip (1131-0032), and a knife tip (1131-0037) for other SMD tasks.
For thru-hole, chisel tips work best. I see there is a 30° angled chisel tip (1131-0051) which looks better ergonomically.

The ultra-performance tips have a larger thermal reservoir, so they will take a bit longer to heat up. If you don't like waiting, the standard series tips would be faster in sporadic use. They are also more slender which is a factor in reworking heavily built-up PCBAs.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #872 on: January 05, 2019, 07:06:04 pm »
Use a bent conical for SMD LEDs (1131-0003), and get a hoof/MiniWave tip (1131-0032), and a knife tip (1131-0037) for other SMD tasks.
For thru-hole, chisel tips work best. I see there is a 30° angled chisel tip (1131-0051) which looks better ergonomically.

The ultra-performance tips have a larger thermal reservoir, so they will take a bit longer to heat up. If you don't like waiting, the standard series tips would be faster in sporadic use. They are also more slender which is a factor in reworking heavily built-up PCBAs.

Thanks  helius

What other chisel tip  1/16" ,3/32' ect. would you recommend for the 6th tip? Any other changes for the list below? I just wanted a well rounded set to start with that have worked well with members that have used the ADS200. I plan to order on Monday so all the help is greatly appreciated.

1131-0003 1/64" bent conical

1131-0032 3mm hoof/MiniWave

1131-0037 1/4" knife

1131-0051 1/8" 30° angled chisel
 
1131-0057 5/16" chisel or 1131-0055 1/4" ?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #873 on: January 06, 2019, 05:58:29 pm »
I wonder how long before Chinese clones of tips and parts for the ADS200 start appearing on Banggood?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #874 on: January 06, 2019, 08:06:17 pm »
Here is my station and list of tips before ordering tomorrow. Does anyone see any tips that should be changed to a different type or deleted before ordering?

8007-0579        ADS200 with Instant Setback Tool Stand

1131-0003-P1   1/64" bent conical

1131-0032-P1   3mm hoof/MiniWave

1131-0019-P1   1/16" 30° angled chisel

1131-0051-P1   1/8" 30° angled chisel

1131-0037-P1   1/4" knife
 
1131-0055 -P1  1/4" chisel
 


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