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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #475 on: July 12, 2018, 03:02:20 pm »
Wow, thanks all!!  I appreciate the responses to a noob.  I think the ASD200 will probably be overkill for us, but I do really enjoy nice tools.  I will be placing order with TE.
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #476 on: July 12, 2018, 11:49:15 pm »
Wow, thanks all!!  I appreciate the responses to a noob.  I think the ASD200 will probably be overkill for us, but I do really enjoy nice tools.  I will be placing order with TE.

No problem, personally I don't think an overkill. Just the best choice for value for money. On the subject of tips again you will need to buy some with the station, make sure you add them to your order.
 
I took a little action shot photo here to help you out. Proper technique is to size the tip close to the size of joint (a land on the pcb) you are soldering. It's a personal choice and dependent on what you are soldering but here is a quick guide.

A chisel is a good choice for a through hole joint and the 3/32” 2.38mm tip (shown in image) looks a good fit for the left and center joints, in a pinch it can be used for slightly larger joints. For the right side surface mount joint something half the size would be more appropriate. For very fine surface mount joints look at even smaller tips. A bent conical/chisel is useful especially for approaching surface mount joints from the side.



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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #477 on: July 13, 2018, 12:44:30 pm »
I ordered the ADS200 with setback stand from TE yesterday. They are currently out of stock but should be in soon.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #478 on: July 14, 2018, 12:03:22 am »
I ordered the ADS200 with setback stand from TE yesterday. They are currently out of stock but should be in soon.

The 1/32" 0.80mm tip is considered a fairly fine tip. For working on your old auto electronics and equipment I would go to a 3/32” 2.38mm chisel tip and even a 1/8" 3.18mm chisel tip in addition. Those three tips are a good start, and as I said in my previous post just size the tip to the joint.

Going larger than 1/8" 3.18mm may be the best choice for soldered lugs and connections, it all depends on what size you're doing. The decision to pick the standard or the higher wattage ultra performance tips is up to your personal preference. When you order check you are using the correct prefix for which type you want (1130 or 1131).
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #479 on: July 14, 2018, 12:59:00 am »
The 1/32" 0.80mm tip is considered a fairly fine tip. For working on your old auto electronics and equipment I would go to a 3/32” 2.38mm chisel tip and even a 1/8" 3.18mm chisel tip in addition. Those three tips are a good start, and as I said in my previous post just size the tip to the joint.

Going larger than 1/8" 3.18mm may be the best choice for soldered lugs and connections, it all depends on what size you're doing. The decision to pick the standard or the higher wattage ultra performance tips is up to your personal preference. When you order check you are using the correct prefix for which type you want (1130 or 1131).

Thank you Shock.  I will call tomorrow and see if they can add to my unshipped order.  I am guessing the standard tips(1130) will be perfectly adequate for what we will do in the near future.

There is also solder and  flux in the order as I pm'd you.  The sales tech explained to me about the benefits of using lead vs lead-free in exposed environments like a vehicle.  I understood it when he said it but I can't remember which is better.  No worries though, more fun research and learning.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #480 on: July 14, 2018, 03:25:58 am »
Thank you Shock.  I will call tomorrow and see if they can add to my unshipped order.  I am guessing the standard tips(1130) will be perfectly adequate for what we will do in the near future.

It's your choice, the standard tips are plenty powerful enough for most work, if you use the correct size tip. I ordered 3 out of my 12 tips ultra performance, mainly to get a couple of beastly sized tips for soldering heatsinks to large ground planes.

There is also solder and  flux in the order as I pm'd you.  The sales tech explained to me about the benefits of using lead vs lead-free in exposed environments like a vehicle.  I understood it when he said it but I can't remember which is better.  No worries though, more fun research and learning.

I do rework/repair with lead, and since my wife is not an RoHS inspector I'm good. If you are an employee or producing a product etc, lead free is the way to go. But personal preference otherwise.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #481 on: July 15, 2018, 02:10:48 am »
I've just ordered an ADS 200 w/ISB hand piece stand. Only desire I'd like to see soon would be a "chip tip" to work with 0201 component removal, or even a well designed tip for 01005 parts, however I'll address that eventually directly with Pace. Very eager to test out the proposed new tweezer design, but I'm going to just wait and see when Pace will get around to releasing them.

I still intend to own and operate my JBC CD station, so I'll try to find the time to create some sort of comparative review between the two. My work demands shift dramatically, so I'll need to see when an open time will permit. I actually work with quite a bit of IPC Class 3 J-STD-001 operations (along with A-610, 7711, 7721, etc.) so depending on time and work demand constraints, I may just make simple comparative observations in the respective rework environment.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #482 on: July 15, 2018, 03:47:16 am »
I've just ordered an ADS 200 w/ISB hand piece stand. Only desire I'd like to see soon would be a "chip tip" to work with 0201 component removal, or even a well designed tip for 01005 parts, however I'll address that eventually directly with Pace. Very eager to test out the proposed new tweezer design, but I'm going to just wait and see when Pace will get around to releasing them.

You mean similar to the 0201 Chip Removal Tip for the TD-100 iron?
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #483 on: July 15, 2018, 04:10:19 am »
You mean similar to the 0201 Chip Removal Tip for the TD-100 iron?

Exactly. I've used these tip shapes with several irons and systems I've owned over several years because of very tight confines where no other tool would work efficiently and without damaging/inadvertently reflowing nearby components. I currently use similar tip types with my JBC T245 handle and removal has been very quick, precise, and without perceptible damage.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #484 on: July 16, 2018, 01:30:39 pm »
Probably more a question for Aaron, but what's the difference between the bevel tip (1130-0011-P1) and the chisel (or conical) tips?  The picture on the website looks similar to the conical tips, but I always thought bevel tips were the same as chisels.

Also do the Pace Miniwave tips have that little depression on the face of the tip?

Was really tempted to pick one up earlier this year because I thought my Metal had finally died on me.  Fortunately it appears to have been just the handpiece.  Still tempted though.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #485 on: July 16, 2018, 02:03:12 pm »
I added the other tips to the order, all 1130’s.  The 0013 was out of stock but I should be fine with the other four in the short term
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #486 on: July 16, 2018, 02:50:39 pm »
Probably more a question for Aaron, but what's the difference between the bevel tip (1130-0011-P1) and the chisel (or conical) tips?  The picture on the website looks similar to the conical tips, but I always thought bevel tips were the same as chisels
A bevel is a conical tip that's had the pointy end cut off on an angle. Makes a single oval face, where a chisel/screwdriver shape has 2 flat sides.

 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #487 on: July 16, 2018, 09:41:29 pm »
Probably more a question for Aaron, but what's the difference between the bevel tip (1130-0011-P1) and the chisel (or conical) tips?  The picture on the website looks similar to the conical tips, but I always thought bevel tips were the same as chisels.

A Bevel has a face cut across the tip. Chisels have two faces. Conical tips are just a taper. The 1130-0011-P1 has a 60 degree face cut across, this older image from the TD-100 series shows it a little clearer.



Also do the Pace Miniwave tips have that little depression on the face of the tip?

Yes you can see it on the 0.083"/3.05mm Miniwave, 1130-0032-P1 and in this video.



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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #488 on: July 17, 2018, 12:46:53 pm »
Apparently Dave is getting too close to his Pace  :-DD
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #489 on: July 17, 2018, 02:28:38 pm »
Thanks!  Now to wait for the reviews.  :)
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #490 on: July 17, 2018, 04:05:31 pm »
Also do the Pace Miniwave tips have that little depression on the face of the tip?

Hi knotlogic,

See Shock's reply to your question about bevel vs. chisel tips, as he explains it well.

Miniwave tips are specifically designed for drag soldering across multiple leads. The spoon-shaped "depression" is key to the way any Miniwave (also called hoof or drag soldering) tip works. You fill the cavity with solder and it acts like a quill pen, replenishing the solder as it drags across multiple leads. A bevel type tip will also work well for drag soldering, but you'll have to add solder much more often. We call it the Miniwave because the tip acts as a miniature wave soldering machine.

By the way, PACE is the originator of Miniwave technology, which was accidentally discovered in the late 80's by one of our applications engineers. He was experimenting with drag soldering using a beveled tip, and found that a spoon shape allowed him to solder 4-sided QFPs and PLCCs (new at that time) on all 4-sides without adding additional solder to the tip. The Miniwave cavity was quickly adopted by Metcal and ERSA, and later by most other soldering iron manufacturers. Too bad we didn't try to patent it!

Aaron
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #491 on: July 17, 2018, 06:16:41 pm »
I have one for my Ersa and it’s great. They are not only good for SMD, but also for other things where you want to prevent excess solder from collecting, such as tinning small stranded wire.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #492 on: July 18, 2018, 11:30:02 am »
So what's up with the ADS200 supply problems?
It's been weeks now, and stockists either don't have the ADS200 with ISB stand, or can't even order them from Pace.

The silence is deafening, and something is clearly wrong.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #493 on: July 18, 2018, 11:54:16 am »
TLDL;
It's not nearly as good thermally as the JBC CD-B, good 20+ degC difference in capability at low temp, I was very surprised. So much for "delivers unsurpassed thermal performance"  :-//
So no JBC killer, unless price is your sole driving factor.
Well built though and pretty sexy.
The display has some random number and overshoot weirdness.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #494 on: July 18, 2018, 12:25:28 pm »
Sounds like crap, then. But that's OK, they can't make 'em anyways!  :-DD
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #495 on: July 18, 2018, 12:59:13 pm »
Why is the setback feature called INSTANT setback when it is delayed? Wouldn't automatic setback be a more suitable name?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #496 on: July 18, 2018, 01:07:16 pm »
 :palm:

It's worse than I thought, looks like they can't even program a PID loop correctly, decode keypresses, and update a display. And that layout, like Dave says, is rubbish.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #497 on: July 18, 2018, 01:11:19 pm »
Why is the setback feature called INSTANT setback when it is delayed? Wouldn't automatic setback be a more suitable name?

Yes, I found it a bit annoying actually, unlike the JBC one which you don't even really notice. Probably worth saving the $30 and going without it.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #498 on: July 18, 2018, 01:12:51 pm »
So what's up with the ADS200 supply problems?
It's been weeks now, and stockists either don't have the ADS200 with ISB stand, or can't even order them from Pace.

The silence is deafening, and something is clearly wrong.

As explained before in this forum, we experienced manufacturing issues in March, which delayed production by months. But those issues have been resolved since June, and our distributors are still in the process of filling their pipeline. You may wish to go to our Distributor Listing:

www.paceworldwide.com/where-to-buy/reps-and-distributors

Or you can buy direct from PACE's website:

ADS200 with Standard Tool Stand: www.paceworldwide.com/products/soldering-stations/digital-control-soldering-systems/ads200-accudrive-production-soldering-station-with-td200

ADS200 with Instant Setback Tool Stand: www.paceworldwide.com/products/soldering-stations/digital-control-soldering-systems/ads200-accudrive-production-soldering-station-with-td200

 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 production station (a JBC killer at $239??)
« Reply #499 on: July 18, 2018, 01:15:15 pm »
:palm:
It's worse than I thought, looks like they can't even program a PID loop correctly

I suspect the actual PID loop is fine, it could just be something's up with the temperature display measurement routine. It's not like the tip can suddenly jump to 400C and then back down the 330C within a second or whatever it did.
 


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