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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #775 on: October 10, 2018, 12:43:01 pm »

We are about to announce a Firmware Rev "1-4" later on in the week. At that time, I will give instructions as to how any PACE customers on EEVBlog with Rev 1-1, 1-2 or 1-3 can obtain a free upgrade.

Aaron

Any status on the update?

I'll have something for you later on today.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #776 on: October 11, 2018, 01:29:14 pm »
ADS200 Firmware Update Rev 1-4 now available

Finally, I’m getting ready to send out a new “1-4” ADS200 firmware PLCC-44 chip. If you would like to try it out, free of charge, please send me a message with a good shipping address and email. Also mention if you need a Chip Puller to remove the PLCC, as I will provide that too. See the attached ADS200-chip-change.pdf file I have attached below for installation instructions. It's pretty straight forward.

The differences between Rev 1-3 (only sent to a few beta testers) and Rev 1-4 are minimal but the differences between Rev 1-1 or 1-2 are significant. The new firmware takes care of several nagging issues reported in EEVBlog:
  • The wacky display screen antics during initial heat-up: by changing some timing code, we were able to curtail the random screen updates that were occurring when you first turn the unit on. Apparently, the unit reacts better if it is not running 100% of wattage when it first turns on. Our engineer also claims the tips heat up faster, although I could not notice any discernible difference myself.
  • 5° Display Resolution is now 1°: The display will register in 1° increments rather than 5° increments now. When you set or view temperature, it will actually show the correct temperature e.g. 352°C or 353°C instead of 350 or 355°C. As a result, the display is much more reactive, meaning if you stick it on the sponge, it will drop a few degrees after 1 or 2 seconds. Before the display would just sit there, even though it was accurately reading the proper internal temperature.
  • ISB Instant Setback Tool Stand: The ISB can now be programmed to be truly “instant.” While the ADS200 has a default setting of 30 seconds before Setback starts, it can now be set in 1-second increments from “0” (instantly goes into Setback as soon as you place it in the stand) to 240 seconds. Before the minimum setting was 15 seconds.
Shipping to US customers is a breeze, but outside of the US may take more time as we have to gather customs paperwork, etc.

I think you'll like the changes in the ADS200, so message me if you want the new chip sent!

Best,

Aaron





 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #777 on: October 16, 2018, 02:24:25 am »
Aaron,

thanks for the update on the firmware. In your opinion, what would be a good time frame to wait for TEquipment or similar sites to be shipping ADS200 units with Rev 1-4 firmware already installed?

I have personally been waiting for TEquipment to get a few more tips in stock before placing my order, so I don't mind waiting a bit longer before my purchase.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #778 on: October 17, 2018, 06:10:12 am »
Msg sent Aaron :)
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #779 on: October 23, 2018, 07:37:20 pm »
Aaron,

Thank you very much for sending the firmware update and goodies.   Much appreciated.  Everything works perfectly.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #780 on: October 23, 2018, 09:15:45 pm »
Sent PM too. I hope it's not too late ::)

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #781 on: October 24, 2018, 12:53:33 am »
Sent PM too. I hope it's not too late ::)

It's never too late!

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #782 on: October 25, 2018, 05:01:28 pm »
I’ve been looking for a good station for a new robotics program.  Since these will be used by numerous kids who are new to soldering, they have to be reliable and easy to use. I don’t mind paying for quality, but, since we need multiple stations, the tips need to be be durable and reasonably priced. It came down to the Hakko fx888d or Pace ads200.

I bought an ADS200, it appeared to be overshooting the temp, but then I saw Dave’s video. Hopefully the new firmware will address this.

Now I just need to get some different tips, I have a lot of projects stacked up to solder and test.

Thanks for the excellent forum, it is invaluable. I finally created an account so I can hopefully give something back!
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #783 on: October 25, 2018, 06:45:07 pm »
I’ve been looking for a good station for a new robotics program.  Since these will be used by numerous kids who are new to soldering, they have to be reliable and easy to use. I don’t mind paying for quality, but, since we need multiple stations, the tips need to be be durable and reasonably priced. It came down to the Hakko fx888d or Pace ads200.

I bought an ADS200, it appeared to be overshooting the temp, but then I saw Dave’s video. Hopefully the new firmware will address this.

Now I just need to get some different tips, I have a lot of projects stacked up to solder and test.

Thanks for the excellent forum, it is invaluable. I finally created an account so I can hopefully give something back!

The new "1-4" firmware should resolve the display overshoot issue. I'll be send a new Chip out next week.

Thanks,

Aaron
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #784 on: October 25, 2018, 11:10:17 pm »
I’ve been looking for a good station for a new robotics program.  Since these will be used by numerous kids who are new to soldering, they have to be reliable and easy to use. I don’t mind paying for quality, but, since we need multiple stations, the tips need to be be durable and reasonably priced. It came down to the Hakko fx888d or Pace ads200.

Congrats PixieWrestler, I think you made a good choice. The ADS200 has the extra power availability, doing connectors or any high thermal mass joints will be a breeze. As the kids improve in skill, perfect iron for fine smd work and good ergonomics for small hands (and adults).

What country is your program based in?
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #785 on: October 26, 2018, 05:16:39 am »

Congrats PixieWrestler, I think you made a good choice. The ADS200 has the extra power availability, doing connectors or any high thermal mass joints will be a breeze. As the kids improve in skill, perfect iron for fine smd work and good ergonomics for small hands (and adults).

What country is your program based in?

Thanks Shock!  We are in the USA. I am very impressed with Pace’s response to the minor nuisance of the temp display.
For the first unit, I didn’t get the auto setback upgrade, I can’t decide if that is something we’ll need for the additional units.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #786 on: October 26, 2018, 08:27:09 am »
Thanks Shock!  We are in the USA. I am very impressed with Pace’s response to the minor nuisance of the temp display. For the first unit, I didn’t get the auto setback upgrade, I can’t decide if that is something we’ll need for the additional units.

It just gives you more flexibility for stop/start soldering. Now with the 1-4 firmware it's configurable so that instant setback can be set to go low temp immediately as you return the iron. The other advantage is you pull the iron out of the stand and it tells the station it's go time again (as opposed to cleaning the tip or pressing a button). People who always tin their tips properly before returning the iron to the stand might prefer it as well.

It's not essential but you could always try it and if you don't like the stand tethered to the station disconnect or remove the cable later.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #787 on: October 26, 2018, 04:09:29 pm »
Does anyone know if current stock at TEquipment contains the latest firmware?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #788 on: October 26, 2018, 06:05:32 pm »
I called TEquipment. They confirmed with Pace that the recent shipment shipment of ADS200 with instant setback stand DOES contain the most recent firmware.

BTW their website shows no stock but they actually have 16 units. Maybe call to confirm if you wish to place an order.

 
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #789 on: October 29, 2018, 07:45:39 pm »
I called TEquipment. They confirmed with Pace that the recent shipment shipment of ADS200 with instant setback stand DOES contain the most recent firmware.

BTW their website shows no stock but they actually have 16 units. Maybe call to confirm if you wish to place an order.

Sorry for the delay in answering this ... was at 2 Trade Shows the last 2 weeks, so I've been shirking my duties. In any case, I called TEquipment this morning, and they confirmed that they only have the newest versions of ADS200. So all the stock they have at the present time should have Firmware Rev 1-4.

Again, please message me if you need the latest firmware Rev 1-4, and I'll ship it out.

Thanks again,

Aaron
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #790 on: October 29, 2018, 11:12:55 pm »
labjr/Aaron,

thanks for the updates on TEquipment inventory for the newest firmwar ADS200s. A question for the those that purchase from them, do u know if there will be any sort of Black Friday sale (based on previous years) that might surpass the regular forum discount?
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #791 on: October 30, 2018, 01:26:05 am »
labjr/Aaron,

thanks for the updates on TEquipment inventory for the newest firmwar ADS200s. A question for the those that purchase from them, do u know if there will be any sort of Black Friday sale (based on previous years) that might surpass the regular forum discount?

Aaron mentioned a while ago that the margins are pretty tight on the Pace ADS200, but you could try hitting Evan up from Tequipment.net who is the on the forum here, to see if there is any special above our regular 6% off and free shipping he can do. Who knows he might be able to throw in a free tip or something.

Evans username on the forums is tequipment I think he has email notifications on so should see he has been messaged.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #792 on: October 30, 2018, 01:55:30 am »
How are the tweezers coming along?   The blue rubber on the ones I use are now shot.  The rubber has started to fall apart and it's very sticky.   I looked on PACE's site along with Jensen Tools to get a new set and it seems that no parts are available for the tweezers beyond the tips.  At $200, I would expect to be able to maintain them.   Hope when/if you produce tweezers for the new station, you keep that same size and feel plus offer replacement parts.   
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #793 on: October 30, 2018, 02:26:07 am »
How are the tweezers coming along?   The blue rubber on the ones I use are now shot.  The rubber has started to fall apart and it's very sticky.   I looked on PACE's site along with Jensen Tools to get a new set and it seems that no parts are available for the tweezers beyond the tips.  At $200, I would expect to be able to maintain them.   Hope when/if you produce tweezers for the new station, you keep that same size and feel plus offer replacement parts.

You're right about the lack of replacement parts for the MT-100. But we do have replacement grips for your handpiece. It's called the MT-100 Lead-Free Soft Grips PN 1119-0177-P2 ($41.47 pair) and they only come in "lead-free green" color as we can no supply the original blue colored grip.

We are still working on an ADS200-compatible thermal tweezer that will be introduced at late January's IPC Apex Show in San Diego.

I'll pass your comments on to the PACE team.

Thanks,

Aaron
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #794 on: November 06, 2018, 11:55:34 am »
Just upgraded the firmware of my ADS200 stations to 1-4 thanks Aaron and Pace!
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #795 on: November 15, 2018, 04:41:10 am »
Looks like I finally got my new toy in the mail ;D
 
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #796 on: November 15, 2018, 06:24:57 am »
Just a simple question guys, what is the benefit of this one over Hakko fx-888d?

I got the hakko as a present from my brother which is gonna replace my beloved Chinese Yihua 908 station... I wonder what are the benefits of this Pace one over the famous hakko? remember the huge price difference.

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #797 on: November 15, 2018, 06:58:11 am »
Just a simple question guys, what is the benefit of this one over Hakko fx-888d?

The ADS200 uses tip-heater cartridges, where the heater and temperature sensor are built into the tip. The cartridges are only made by Pace, but they are quite affordable compared to some brands ($11 each). Replacing cartridges is very fast as they plug into the handle.

The Hakko FX888D tips are separate from the heater, so the control loop is looser. This has different tradeoffs, for the tips are cheaper and available from multiple vendors in different countries (the same tips as the old Hakko 936). Hakko sells tips for $9.50 each, and they are less from other companies (Plato sells them for less than $5 each). The heat recovery is slower and replacing tips is more work (you need to loosen a nut and remove a sleeve to take the tip off). The Hakko has half the heating power, with 65W compared to 120W, so it can't perform as well on boards with very large heatsinks. For most jobs the Hakko is suitable, some users just prefer higher performance.
 

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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #798 on: November 15, 2018, 08:17:09 am »
I wonder what are the benefits of this Pace one over the famous hakko?

The Hakko FX888D is 65W and plastic construction with low cost tips. It has a fairly small desk footprint.

The Pace ADS200 is twice as powerful at 120W and has far superior tip heating/accuracy/swapping/work distance/power saving features. It is all metal construction, easy to operate and has an ergonomic cool touch handle. Uses cartridge tips which contain the heater, which are also comparatively low cost and well under the competition. Pace stations are designed to take additional handpieces, such as the tweezers they are releasing next year.

The difference between the two (and even the Hakko FX951, 70W station) is quite noticeable. They both solder but even if on a limited budget the Pace ADS200 is the way to go and worth saving up the extra $100 for in my opinion.
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Re: Newest Pace ADS200 station (tempting durability, and just over $200)
« Reply #799 on: November 15, 2018, 08:26:04 am »
I wonder what are the benefits of this Pace one over the famous hakko?

The Hakko FX888D is 65W and plastic construction with low cost tips. It has a fairly small desk footprint.

The Pace ADS200 is twice as powerful at 120W and has far superior tip heating/accuracy/swapping/work distance/power saving features. It is all metal construction, easy to operate and has an ergonomic cool touch handle. Uses cartridge tips which contain the heater, which are also comparatively low cost and well under the competition. Pace stations are designed to take additional handpieces, such as the tweezers they are releasing next year.

The difference between the two (and even the Hakko FX951, 70W station) is quite noticeable. They both solder but even if on a limited budget the Pace ADS200 is the way to go and worth saving up the extra $100 for in my opinion.

Well, for me and many others, I don't do heavy soldering jobs thus Yihua 908 did the job nicely for me for more than a year now. I wasted the chisel tip which is what I use most, thus I can buy 5 of it for 2$.

However, I always wanted a Hakko fx-888D and finally my brother gave it to me as a gift. I could buy it though since it is just 90$ but shipping was very expensive to Jordan. He resides in Dubai so he got it cheaply and just took it with him to Jordan.

So, it is not worth extra 120$ to get the Pace one in my opinion... for me of course.


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