Author Topic: What crimping tool do you use for quick connect terminals? (Read 85998 times)

WarSim · « **Reply #25 on:** July 25, 2013, 09:51:13 pm »

I looked up the specs on the multi crimp. Looks like a great idea, but the crimp dies are limited. I found only 5 dies available and they include none for the small stuff. I have little use for 10AWG.

The trapezoidal end sleeve crimp is new to me, should be square IMHO.

Seems to get more sizes you need to get the crimp system pliers. A much more expensive route.

Monkeh · « **Reply #26 on:** July 25, 2013, 10:29:22 pm »

Quote from: WarSim on July 25, 2013, 09:51:13 pm

The trapezoidal end sleeve crimp is new to me, should be square IMHO.

Trapezoidal ferrule crimps are pretty normal.

WarSim · « **Reply #27 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:04:41 pm »

Quote from: Monkeh on July 25, 2013, 10:29:22 pm

Quote from: WarSim on July 25, 2013, 09:51:13 pm
The trapezoidal end sleeve crimp is new to me, should be square IMHO.

Trapezoidal ferrule crimps are pretty normal.

I believe you that they are common, but I just discovered they are not permitted in my area. So new to me.

WarSim · « **Reply #28 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:12:13 pm »

Did a lengthy search for a DIY solution. I just found Greenlee CrimpAll 8000. 46 dies available. No quick change. Not a parallel press.
But due to the large price difference and better availability in North America I think I will they them first.

Not to be confused with the commercial like Amp, Bendix, Molex etc. GreenLee or KinPex is not a competitor in this class IMHO.

Monkeh · « **Reply #29 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:19:58 pm »

Quote from: WarSim on July 25, 2013, 11:04:41 pm

Quote from: Monkeh on July 25, 2013, 10:29:22 pm
Quote from: WarSim on July 25, 2013, 09:51:13 pm
The trapezoidal end sleeve crimp is new to me, should be square IMHO.

Trapezoidal ferrule crimps are pretty normal.

I believe you that they are common, but I just discovered they are not permitted in my area. So new to me.

I'd love a reference and reasoning for that.

WarSim · « **Reply #30 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:32:12 pm »

Non commercial industry, you won't get anymore detail than that from me.

Monkeh · « **Reply #31 on:** July 25, 2013, 11:43:24 pm »

That's basically all I need to know.. Fair play. Specifications are rather strict in such areas.

quarks · « **Reply #32 on:** July 26, 2013, 08:27:31 am »

I just had a look at some of the crimp tools I bought in the last 20-30 years. This should show that try to "save" money, will be unnecessary expensive in the end.
The cheap left three ones are a just a waste of money. Also the quite expensive Phoenix crimper in the middle I would not buy anymore. What I learned from my own mistakes is, always look for the best tool you can afford, that will save money and prevent frustration.

WarSim · « **Reply #33 on:** July 26, 2013, 01:38:17 pm »

The third one looks very simulate to the one that is in my budget.
What specifically is wrong with it? So I can guess if the issues have been addressed in the GreenLee PA8000.

quarks · « **Reply #34 on:** July 26, 2013, 03:06:24 pm »

Most of these tools look similar, but watch out and double check if the one you like to buy is any good. If you do not know or cannot have a close enough look at it, you can probably tell by the price if there is a chance that it can be acceptable quality. I would think a useful die will be at least 20-30$ and the plier would add probably at least another 20$. If my guess is right the minimum expected price will most likely start at 40-50$ for acceptable quality.

With mine the overall build quality and especially the die is really poor and therefore, as I said, a waste of money (I think it was around 30€).

A Knipex offered from Amazon would only be 75€ (or even 70€), so I would not think twice and go for the real tool.

I do not know your Greenlee and the price for it, but at least it looks like a better/good one to me.

quarks · « **Reply #35 on:** July 26, 2013, 04:03:02 pm »

there is one more thing I forgot to mention. In Germany we have a test institution which warns from buying/using cheap tools, because there might be a risk for your health
see translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.test.de%2FKrebsgefahr-Gift-in-Werkzeugen-1365869-0%2F

TimNJ · « **Reply #36 on:** July 26, 2013, 04:32:55 pm »

I wouldn't have too much of a problem spending $100 (75euro) on a nice Knipex crimper, but here in the USA, that same tool is twice the price.

I should tell you guys that I'm a college student. I don't have a reliable source of income, so spending $200 on a crimping tool doesn't really fit in with my financial status.

Surely there is an American brand or a different European brand that isn't marked up as high?

quarks · « **Reply #37 on:** July 26, 2013, 04:53:52 pm »

Twice the price is really bad, especially because the German price even includes 19% tax and free shipping

robrenz · « **Reply #38 on:** July 26, 2013, 05:08:23 pm »

Allways go to ChadsToolBox in the US
$113.87 here for the same thing.

nanofrog · « **Reply #39 on:** July 27, 2013, 02:02:58 am »

Quote from: TimNJ on July 26, 2013, 04:32:55 pm

I wouldn't have too much of a problem spending $100 (75euro) on a nice Knipex crimper, but here in the USA, that same tool is twice the price.

I should tell you guys that I'm a college student. I don't have a reliable source of income, so spending $200 on a crimping tool doesn't really fit in with my financial status.

Surely there is an American brand or a different European brand that isn't marked up as high?

Take a look at the Pressmaster Mobile Crimp Tool, linked previously in the thread.

Waytek (waytekwire.com) sells it under their own name (check their catalog). Frame + 1 die set for example can come in under $100, and there are multiple dies for it (more than Waytek sells). Made in Sweden, and quite cost effective for a hobbyist IMHO (I use one of these, and they work extremely well).

BTW, Pressmaster makes a lot of the crimp tools for major terminal manufactures, such as Thomas&Betts, Molex, 3M, Emerson, and others.

jebcom · « **Reply #40 on:** July 27, 2013, 04:21:14 pm »

As a college student crimping the insulated connectors like you showed in the photos, you don't need a $100 crimper. The Channelock tool you linked to in the original post will be just fine, and it is made in USA. I have terminated many hundreds of this type of connector with the similar T&B tool. And the Harbor Freight tool that I have now is OK; you just need to open the jaws a bit further to get the connector in.

grenert · « **Reply #41 on:** July 27, 2013, 04:47:40 pm »

Klein also makes a similar crimper to the Channelock.
http://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-Insulated-Non-Insulated-Terminals/dp/B0006M6Y5M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374943509&sr=8-3&keywords=klein+crimper

And one with slightly chunkier handles:
http://www.amazon.com/Klein-J1005-Journeyman-Crimping-Cutting/dp/B000936OTY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1374943509&sr=8-2&keywords=klein+crimper

robrenz · « **Reply #42 on:** July 31, 2013, 01:43:13 pm »

Just bought the Harbor Freight ratchet crimpers for $7.95 on sale. They are very functional and made amazingly well. they even have the eccentric to adjust the closed forced. The dies are hardened powder metal and properly shaped. All the pivots are removable with E rings to allow lubing with high pressure grease before use. You know I don't have a problem buying good tools but I give these a

for a general use tool.

G7PSK · « **Reply #43 on:** July 31, 2013, 04:20:17 pm »

Quote from: grenert on July 27, 2013, 04:47:40 pm

Klein also makes a similar crimper to the Channelock.
http://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-Insulated-Non-Insulated-Terminals/dp/B0006M6Y5M/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1374943509&sr=8-3&keywords=klein+crimper

And one with slightly chunkier handles:
http://www.amazon.com/Klein-J1005-Journeyman-Crimping-Cutting/dp/B000936OTY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1374943509&sr=8-2&keywords=klein+crimper

I bought an identical crimp plier to those shown in these links but made by Lucas in the UK in 1974 and they are as good today as they were back than, prior to them I had a ratchet set made in Japan the broke very quickly.

hemdale · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2016, 04:56:38 pm »

Quote from: quarks on July 26, 2013, 08:27:31 am

I just had a look at some of the crimp tools I bought in the last 20-30 years. This should show that try to "save" money, will be unnecessary expensive in the end.
The cheap left three ones are a just a waste of money. Also the quite expensive Phoenix crimper in the middle I would not buy anymore. What I learned from my own mistakes is, always look for the best tool you can afford, that will save money and prevent frustration.

Hi Quark,

Looking at your picture, you have two crimpers from Knipex: le multiCrimp with 5 dies supplied, and the self adjusting 97 53 09.

Is there a specific reasons you chose them both ? Also, what made you choose the 97 53 09 (front loading) over the 97 53 04 (lateral loading) ?

Many thanks

SL4P · « **Reply #45 on:** February 02, 2016, 02:04:43 am »

In my experience -
Some of the (cheaper) tools simply crush the crap out of the connector body - to squeeze the conductor.

Others hold the barrel tight - and put a dent' in the rear of the connector barrel to make optimum contact with the conductor, while the last (expensive) type will apply multiple fingers (like an iris diaphragm) to create a circular 'flower' of impressions into the connector barrel...

All depending in the type of QC or crimp connector, and insulated or not.

hemdale · « **Reply #46 on:** February 02, 2016, 12:37:54 pm »

I'm a bit puzzled, what's the biggest difference between a square crimped terminal and a trapezoidal one.
I'm guessing that no matter how you insert the square ferrule, it will always fit perfectly which isn't the case with a trapezoidal shape.

Would the square crimp be a 100% winner ?

SL4P · « **Reply #47 on:** February 02, 2016, 12:47:52 pm »

in my experiences, the actual connector is as big a factor as the crimp.
The split barrel type will simply fold around the cable at best (with the *right* tool), or just mush into a flattened mess at worst.
The 'continuous' crimp sleeves can't distort, unless the tool pushes them in the right direction, but these are usually the more expensive terminals and tools.

hemdale · « **Reply #48 on:** February 02, 2016, 03:56:57 pm »

@ SL4P: would you know any site or blog on which I could educate myself regarding crimps and various crimping techniques requirements ?
Thanks

quarks · « **Reply #49 on:** February 02, 2016, 04:08:01 pm »

Quote from: hemdale on February 02, 2016, 12:37:54 pm

I'm a bit puzzled, what's the biggest difference between a square crimped terminal and a trapezoidal one.
I'm guessing that no matter how you insert the square ferrule, it will always fit perfectly which isn't the case with a trapezoidal shape.

Would the square crimp be a 100% winner ?

Do you have a picture of the connector and the die you like it to crimp with?


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