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Offline Hardlife

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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2024, 09:32:12 pm »
Hi,

i have same circuit like User Spawn...
(newer version power supply (ZD150-PQ32/15) - still 18V)

Because i am not a pro  :( - can smoebody please help me to identify the right resistor for manipulation?
@cybermaus ?

I attached better pics...
(R21 and R22 = 472)

Thank you,
Hardlife

« Last Edit: February 10, 2024, 09:47:54 pm by Hardlife »
 

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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2024, 10:18:21 pm »
I've been staring at it for a while, and I think I agree with @shawn: R20 which needs a parallel resistor on it, the value is 2K4 and I think it needs a 6K8 resistor parallel on it for +/-24V

Or alternately, replace the entire R20 with1 1K8 resistor (or 182 in numeric)

Mind you, its been a long time ago, I barely understand what I did back then, and most importantly, I cannot measure any if the lines are connected to the rest of the board I think they are.
I am basically just trying to map the old to the new from the picture, and to be honest, there is one resistor too many.
Maybe for safety, you can first put a parallel 22K resistor to it or so, and see if the voltage rises to 20V
« Last Edit: February 10, 2024, 10:22:33 pm by cybermaus »
 
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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2024, 10:37:03 pm »
The universal input supply shouldn't have any trouble running from 110v. It's a flyback, so it's built to be fairly proactive in compensating for loading or duty cycle requirements. Furthermore, the universal power supply models are actually rated for 110v, so it would be a grave oversight to have it not actually work properly.

Mind you again, changing the output to 24v will increase the power draw quite a bit. A resistive element doesn't scale its current draw back in response to a higher voltage. You may need to implement an inhibit signal for the heater that pulls it down/off when the pump runs.
 

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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #53 on: June 23, 2024, 06:00:53 pm »
Hey thanks i advance for the work you have done. On my zd 8915 with no sleep function the psu is ZD-P150 V 2.0. It output as u say 18 volts output. my fan witch voltage is no problem for since my fan is rated at 36 volt, is moved to the top  with one bolt and a stand of 5mm on top of the supply shield cut a hole for fre air flow into the supply, stand of make it blow air direct on the sides of pump motor.also drilled some vent holes on the side where the air can get out. One thing would like to know, with the parallel resistor to get 23.5 volt. the added one 68K? and on the board a smd 24 k ohm?. would not the power take the path of lowest resistance? in other word would not most power go true the smd one? it cant be much current anyway. i am about to order lots of components from digikey for div project i have cooking. Thanks again.
 

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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #54 on: June 23, 2024, 06:18:21 pm »
"would not the power take the path of lowest resistance? in other word would not most power go true the smd one?"

If nothing else, electronics is about maths. Every variable weighs in on the result; even if most current will flow through the lowest resistor, both resistors weigh in on the total result.
So I suggest you start with some videos on resistor calculations.

So as to the "power take the path of lowest resistance", that is a common saying, but not strictly correct.
Current takes all available paths in parallel. Again, watch some videos on resistor calculations.



As to "ordering a bunch of stuff from digikey"
I suspect you may be soewhat at the beginning of this skil/hobby, which if fine, everyone was at some point, (in fact, still a noob myself, on account of only playing with it every so often) but unless if you have money to spare,  don't spend too much on expensive individual components from an expensive supplier if you are not at that skil-point yet. Find some maker stores to buy some kits.

« Last Edit: June 23, 2024, 06:21:21 pm by cybermaus »
 

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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2024, 05:37:34 pm »
To corroborate and elaborate upon the reply given by Cybermaus:

The electricity does take the path of lowest resistance, because that's a fairly arbitrary figure of speech

In reality, the electricity flows through all paths, but when not all of them are equal resistance, one path will be preferred. The electricity does not, however, decide to not flow through the higehr resistance path at all. After all, that would imply electricity has sentience of some kind.

Concluding this, I can solidly assert that electricity takes every path at all times, and the amount of current that flows over a specific path is directly proportional to its resistance. The "amount" relative to the other parts will as such be proportional to the other parts. Read: two paths of 1K ohms are both equal percentages of the total resistance (500 ohms). That means the current flow through both resistors will consequently be proportional to that, i.e. half through one, half through the other. :)
 

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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2024, 03:02:33 am »
Yes I am revisiting this post because when I had made comments on this post I had not found a switching power supply that would be suitable for this particular purpose of this particular device but one day I was surfing the internet on EBay and found a seller that had some unusual switching power supply high current version and unusual voltages as well so I decided to try one and see if it could be done and how well would it work

I going to update my post about modifying the switching power to a much better switching power for the dual desoldering / soldering station with the sleep feature on this model ZD-987 you have to modify the original power supply board you have to cutoff and discard the primary switching power supply section and use a 18 volts @ 20 amp switching power supply

The last picture is the completed project the first one is the testing of the modified original secondary switching power supply board for the other voltages that are required for the station to work properly

In one picture I showed the modified original secondary switching power supply board

I have probably  have run this new switching power supply for at least 20 hours or more now and have had no issues since I modified the power supply for this device
« Last Edit: August 18, 2024, 03:53:45 am by sam_sam_sam »
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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2024, 03:45:37 am »
Hardlife

I do not think this is a good idea and here is why the original switching power supply is marginal at best because I have had switching power supply failure in the past this was my motivation for doing this project in the first place because the desoldering / soldering station was decently made for hobbyists grade but the switching power supply to me is a joke at best even if you recapped before use does not keep it from having a major failure of the switching power supply either it retrying to power on or just dose not turn on either because the switching power supply regulator or switching power supply transformer failure or combination of both situations
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Re: ZD-8915 (SS-331) conversion from 18V to 24V
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2024, 02:10:41 am »
Sense I had done this update I ran it for at least another 50 hours or maybe even a little more than this and so far no issues whatsoever have appeared
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