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Offline chipeaterTopic starter

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50R conductor impedance
« on: November 15, 2022, 05:14:19 pm »
Hello,

I need to layout a 4 layers board with a 868Mhz RF module and a SMA connector for the antenna.
I will use JLCPCB service and their JLC7628 stackup.

To compute the trace width between the RF module and the SMA connector, I used online calculator and Saturn PCB design software.
With a dielectric constant of 4.6 and a 7.1th prepreg thickness, the calculator gives me a conductor width around 12th.

But I was told it was wrong without further explanation, the trace must be much larger.
Does anyone have any experience in this ?

Thank you very much  :)


 

Offline TheUnnamedNewbie

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Re: 50R conductor impedance
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2022, 08:25:27 am »
The thickness all depends on the type of transmission line (CPW? GCPW? Microstrip? Stripline? Slotline? ...) you want. Without stating that we cannot help you.
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Offline chipeaterTopic starter

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Re: 50R conductor impedance
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2022, 09:31:27 am »
I don't know what I want/need. I don't have the skills to make that choice.

The layout is super simple so I have some flexibility.
I have a full ground plane on inner 1, the RF module and the SMA connector are on top layer.
I tried with a microstrip configuration and  JLCPCB gives me a 11.55th trace width for JLC7628 stackup.
Saturn PCB gives me 12.45th with no plating thickness ( there is soldermask on this trace ).

Then I tried with coplanar ware configuration and with 55th of conductor gap between top layer ground plane and the RF trace, Saturn PCB gives me 14.95th



I find that both results are in the same order of magnitude but I was told that the trace must be much larger.
I'm looking for information so I don't look too stupid  ;D

Thank you for your time
 

Offline NickZA

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Re: 50R conductor impedance
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2022, 10:47:23 am »
According to JLC, their 7628 stack-up has a prepreg thickness of 0.21mm, so in AppCad I came up with the following:

0.4mm trace with 0.4mm clearance gives you close to 50ohm impedance.

 

Offline M0HZH

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Re: 50R conductor impedance
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2022, 04:58:51 pm »
What are you designing?

I did some 868Mhz modules on 4-layer JLC7628 stack as well, used their calculator for impedance (11.55mil for 50ohm) and PCB traces weren't matched properly, luckily the traces were short and didn't matter much.
 

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Re: 50R conductor impedance
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2022, 02:44:33 pm »
fwiw, the JLCPCB calculator for their 7628 stackup has been pretty much spot on in my experience. I did some TDR tests a while back and posted them here: https://github.com/miek/usb3-fixtures/tree/main/microstrip-test#microstrip-test
 


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