5G conspiracies

[I wanted a rude username]

Almost all conspiracy theories are based on *always* starting out by assuming the official story is wrong, no matter how sensible it may be

This contrarianism brings to mind an excellent episode of Sam Harris's podcast, where it's characterised thus:

> "I can never agree with what is written in the New York Times and the Atlantic, let alone the Economist or the Wall Street Journal. So whatever position I hold today, if it comes to be mainstream in those publications, it must be very facile."

[Electro Detective]

Almost all conspiracy theories are based on *always* starting out by assuming the official story is wrong, no matter how sensible it may be and then carefully engaging in confirmation bias finding dots to connect that support whatever crazy idea they come up with.

The theories are usually impossibly complex and would require huge numbers of people to be in on the conspiracy, you'd need people across the political spectrum working closely together, it's virtually impossible.

There have been real conspiracies of course, but it requires a small and tight knit group, and usually they end up exposed after they have committed whatever act they set out to do.

You've just nailed it    and it's not impossible, might take a few decades to set up after the initial 'conspiracy' meetings wrap up,
and then recruit all the can do/no questions asked/YES type people,
basically human trash is preferred that will stoop to any record low for personal gain/promotion or reasons only they know in their sicko heads. 

and who is going to expose an internationally organized mob? Surely not the gullible idiot public they took for a ride? 

Which may explain why history repeats 

So is 5G a conspiracy       to dump perfectly good phones for new ones ?
No one in their right mind would consider to dump a perfectly good working phone for the latest G
..would they? 

[james_s]

I remember someone trying to tell me that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government in order to create an excuse to attack Iraq. Soooo then the conspirators claimed that the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia? That's an awfully big oversight don't you think? I mean maybe if you're going to go through all that effort, make sure you claim the terrorists came from the country you want an excuse to attack?   

[Electro Detective]

I remember someone trying to tell me that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government in order to create an excuse to attack Iraq. Soooo then the conspirators claimed that the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia? That's an awfully big oversight don't you think? I mean maybe if you're going to go through all that effort, make sure you claim the terrorists came from the country you want an excuse to attack?   

Some Youtubers are now flogging BS that the three planes were holograms and aliens planted timed expl0sives in the buildings,
and used an arduino rig to activate, hoping the humans would kick off another world war and finish themselves off, for an easy conquest 

I mean seriously, was a wireless arduino thingie available back then? 

[Lord of nothing]

I remember someone trying to tell me that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government

That smart Person was right.

in order to create an excuse to attack Iraq.

Not only that.
Iran, Iraq and Syria. Daesh was found the same way as Mr. Bin Ladens Network of Freedom Fighter.

Soooo then the conspirators claimed that the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia?

Sure even the US Gov. Claim this. The found there Passports on the Street in front of the WTC.

make sure you claim the terrorists came from the country you want an excuse to attack?

Yes that was not the biggest flaw in the official Story.
Do you know about WTC7? It collapsed even it was never hit by the Plane (or Parts from).

WTC7 rember me at the Cars in US Movies who explode after a soft hit at the Bumper.   

[donotdespisethesnake]

Some Youtubers are now flogging BS that the three planes were holograms and aliens planted timed expl0sives in the buildings,
and used an arduino rig to activate, hoping the humans would kick off another world war and finish themselves off, for an easy conquest 

I mean seriously, was a wireless arduino thingie available back then? 

Sure, when aliens landed at Roswell, we got their spaceship tech, and they got our Arduino tech in exchange.

[Cyberduke]

https://interestingengineering.com/people-are-burning-down-cellphone-masts-in-the-uk-as-conspiracy-theories-link-5g-to-covid-19?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=Apr05

Seems that in the UK the conspiracies are indeed the strongest. (From my personal observations)

[bd139]

Yeah it’s our turn instead of America for having the greatest idiots for a change. Hey everyone we’re number one at something again 

[james_s]

Yeah it’s our turn instead of America for having the greatest idiots for a change. Hey everyone we’re number one at something again 

I'm more than happy to pass that torch for a while, we've been the reigning champs for far too long. 

[Simon]

Because many people are scientifically illiterate and a lot of people prefer certain types of answers.

It seems to be like going back, hundreds of years ago, when (some) people believed in witches.

So, they are burning 5G things or street lights, instead of witches, these days. Because of (apparently) mistaken beliefs.

People mistake technological advancement of society for an increase in the IQ of the general population. At least back in the day some people knew their place.

[Cyberduke]

 

Because many people are scientifically illiterate and a lot of people prefer certain types of answers.

It seems to be like going back, hundreds of years ago, when (some) people believed in witches.

So, they are burning 5G things or street lights, instead of witches, these days. Because of (apparently) mistaken beliefs.

People mistake technological advancement of society for an increase in the IQ of the general population. At least back in the day some people knew their place.

agreed, the technological advancements we see are being done by a tiny percentage of the population.
 
This whole situation makes me think of the flat earthers, they have the whole situation thought out and have done their "research" to wrap up their argument in a neat little bow. One day there will be a "no 5G" conference or something.

[Simon]

Some Youtubers are now flogging BS that the three planes were holograms and aliens planted timed expl0sives in the buildings,
and used an arduino rig to activate, hoping the humans would kick off another world war and finish themselves off, for an easy conquest 

I mean seriously, was a wireless arduino thingie available back then? 

Sure, when aliens landed at Roswell, we got their spaceship tech, and they got our Arduino tech in exchange.

I saw a video someone did about 9/11, their "evidence" for the tower being rigged with explosive was a photo that was clearly from the 1970's or 80's judging by the clothing and beards of electricians rewiring the towers and boxes with the "littelfuse" branding on them. They even showed the littelfuse website pointing out that the company made fuses alluding to "bomb fuses" when right there on the page they were using as "evidence" were the specs of the electrical safety fuse that they were too illiterate to understand.

I actually had  a colleague email me the other day with a video link to youtube with the street light and some people taking strength readings of towers with no relevance. I calmly explained to him that 5G uses all the same frequencies we have done for years which include the same frequencies as 4G and his home wireless router.

[Simon]

The problem is that these people has no evidence and are too thick to see that.

[bd139]

Need someone to fetch the trolleys at Tesco. 

[Simon]

Need someone to fetch the trolleys at Tesco. 

Like i said, once upon a time these people knew their place.

[james_s]

I saw a video someone did about 9/11, their "evidence" for the tower being rigged with explosive was a photo that was clearly from the 1970's or 80's judging by the clothing and beards of electricians rewiring the towers and boxes with the "littelfuse" branding on them. They even showed the littelfuse website pointing out that the company made fuses alluding to "bomb fuses" when right there on the page they were using as "evidence" were the specs of the electrical safety fuse that they were too illiterate to understand.

It's a phenomenon called Confirmation Bias. Rather than starting out with a blank slate, examining evidence and reaching a conclusion they start out on the other end with a conclusion and then work backwards looking for evidence that supports the conclusion they have started out with. When they look at the Littlefuse website they will simply ignore or discount anything that doesn't support the conclusion they've started out with, that Littlefuse makes bomb fuses.

There's a famous quote from Sherlock Holmes "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." Conspiracy theories are based on immediately eliminating the official story as impossible no matter what it says and this opens the door to numerous extremely improbable conclusions.

[Mark19960]

Thunderf00t's take...

[MK14]

Because many people are scientifically illiterate and a lot of people prefer certain types of answers.

It seems to be like going back, hundreds of years ago, when (some) people believed in witches.

So, they are burning 5G things or street lights, instead of witches, these days. Because of (apparently) mistaken beliefs.

People mistake technological advancement of society for an increase in the IQ of the general population. At least back in the day some people knew their place.

I suspect (without trying to sound snobbish), the inner workings and exactly what 5G is (technically speaking), is beyond (unless they were taught about 5G), a number of normal/average, Mr Joe Bloggs, of this world.

So when they are told it is an evil plot by governments, to mass infect the general population, with a virus.
Unfortunately, some people believe it, and get riled up enough, to set them on fire. As per recent news articles, about a few of them, being burnt down in the UK.

It reminds me of distant history lessons, the Jacquard looms being destroyed, because of fears it would mean everyone losses their jobs.
I didn't think those times would return, in my lifetime.

Apparently, there is a name for it 'Luddite'. (Not exactly the same thing, but vaguely similar).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Later interpretation of machine breaking (1812), showing two men superimposed on an 1844 engraving from the Penny magazine which shows a post 1820s Jacquard loom.[c] Machine-breaking was criminalised by the Parliament of the United Kingdom as early as 1721,

[Circlotron]

A recent example, comes from a BBC report about the virus in Russia.
It says that they were still crowding into this small church, and preying. I.e. NOT socially isolating in there, because of the virus.
The BBC reporter asked one of the people, why they were doing that.
She explained that because it was a holy place (inside the church), it was IMPOSSIBLE to catch the virus, inside the church.
Punchline, she was a Doctor in Russia.

Contrast that stupidity with the commonsense approach used by several million Israelites wandering around in the wilderness after having left Egypt 3-1/2 thousand years ago. The Bible account in Deuteronomy chapter 23 verses 12 and 13 instructed them to go outside the camp to have a poop, dig a hole and bury it. They certainly weren’t immune to diseases.

[MK14]

Contrast that stupidity with the commonsense approach used by several million Israelites wandering around in the wilderness after having left Egypt 3-1/2 thousand years ago. The Bible account in Deuteronomy chapter 23 verses 12 and 13 instructed them to go outside the camp to have a poop, dig a hole and bury it. They certainly weren’t immune to diseases.

Arguably, a number of the early religious practices, could have very sound (scientifically speaking, even though it was not known for another few thousand years), health reasons.

E.g. Washing your hands before eating. (Indirectly, as some practices involve hand washing).
NOT eating Bats (as they are not Kosher).
Koshering meats (I'm not entirely sure what that entails), but I suspect it makes the meat healthier (kills germs).
Not eating Pig (in some religions), as they can be infected with parasites, especially in olden times (I suspect).

[Cerebus]

I remember someone trying to tell me that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government in order to create an excuse to attack Iraq. Soooo then the conspirators claimed that the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia? That's an awfully big oversight don't you think? I mean maybe if you're going to go through all that effort, make sure you claim the terrorists came from the country you want an excuse to attack?   

Well it worked didn't it, so the conspiracy was successful. 

The problem with crazy conspiracies is when they involve the US - there's a small possibility that they may be true. If you look at the US based/originated conspiracies that actually happened and have been documented, many of them sound crazy enough to be the product of conspiracy nuts. The US military and intelligence services smuggling weapons to a enemy to fund overthrowing the government of another country (both in direct contravention of law including a specific law forbidding funding the faction in question)? Crazy right, but it actually happened (Oliver North et al in the Iran-Contra affair). A cabal of people spread across various Washington departments and private industry running their own economic and technology sabotage against the USSR without orders, authority or answerability? The American Tradecraft Society - involving people from the CIA, NSA, Office of Naval Intelligence, Air Force, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency, Department of Defense, and Rand Corporation. There are plenty of other examples.

The US seems to be good at breeding these genuine conspiracies, but not good enough that they don't eventually get uncovered.

Or maybe they get bubbled-up by agents of the Illuminati because it clashes with their schemes?  Who knows, who knows.

[james_s]

Arguably, a number of the early religious practices, could have very sound (scientifically speaking, even though it was not known for another few thousand years), health reasons.

E.g. Washing your hands before eating. (Indirectly, as some practices involve hand washing).
NOT eating Bats (as they are not Kosher).
Koshering meats (I'm not entirely sure what that entails), but I suspect it makes the meat healthier (kills germs).
Not eating Pig (in some religions), as they can in infected with parasites, especially in olden times (I suspect).

There is a lot of stuff in various religious texts that is sensible, likely things people discovered worked whether or not they understood why, still more stuff is reasonable if taken metaphorically or as an example. It's when you have people taking it all very literally or finding ways to interpret it to support whatever view they have that it becomes an issue. It's not like one guy sat down and wrote any of the books from cover to cover, they're collections of stories from all sorts of sources, some translated from one language to another, some passed down orally, it can hardly be considered absolute truth.

[Cerebus]

Need someone to fetch the trolleys at Tesco. 

Like i said, once upon a time these people knew their place.

Yeah, but back in those days your place (and mine) would probably have been up inside a chimney scrubbing it clean. At least we'd have had someone to look up to us, as I suspect that the B in BD139 stands for Baldrick. 

[james_s]

Well it worked didn't it, so the conspiracy was successful. 

The problem with crazy conspiracies is when they involve the US - there's a small possibility that they may be true. If you look at the US based/originated conspiracies that actually happened and have been documented, many of them sound crazy enough to be the product of conspiracy nuts. The US military and intelligence services smuggling weapons to a enemy to fund overthrowing the government of another country (both in direct contravention of law including a specific law forbidding funding the faction in question)? Crazy right, but it actually happened (Oliver North et al in the Iran-Contra affair). A cabal of people spread across various Washington departments and private industry running their own economic and technology sabotage against the USSR without orders, authority or answerability? The American Tradecraft Society - involving people from the CIA, NSA, Office of Naval Intelligence, Air Force, FBI, Defense Intelligence Agency, Department of Defense, and Rand Corporation. There are plenty of other examples.

The US seems to be good at breeding these genuine conspiracies, but not good enough that they don't eventually get uncovered.

Or maybe they get bubbled-up by agents of the Illuminati because it clashes with their schemes?  Who knows, who knows.

But the US government (or any government really) doesn't need to invent a convoluted conspiracy to attack another country, as we've seen on multiple occasions they can just decide to attack them for any reason they want and what are we the ordinary people gonna do about it? If they wanted to start a war with Iraq then 9/11 is an insanely complex and roundabout way of doing it, I mean they could have orchestrated a far smaller attack and claimed it was orchestrated by Iraqis, or they could have simply fabricated the whole thing and claimed that Iraq had declared war on us and how would most people know? Or they could just find some random piddly squabble to go to war over like they have in the past, or they could just declare war for no reason at all, countries have done that before.

It makes absolutely no sense at all to invent an insanely complex conspiracy requiring thousands of people to be in on it, that is a tremendous amount of effort for very questionable gains and it requires both incredible perfection and attention to detail yet they overlooked having the terrorists be from the right country? And that's really more plausible than people we've meddled with for decades being pissed off enough to attack us? The official account seems perfectly logical and far simpler than any of the conspiracies.

Those real conspiracies you mention are all much simpler involving far fewer people and the motives behind them are much more clear and direct. Not to mention they were uncovered despite being relatively simple.

[MK14]

There is a lot of stuff in various religious texts that is sensible, likely things people discovered worked whether or not they understood why, still more stuff is reasonable if taken metaphorically or as an example. It's when you have people taking it all very literally or finding ways to interpret it to support whatever view they have that it becomes an issue. It's not like one guy sat down and wrote any of the books from cover to cover, they're collections of stories from all sorts of sources, some translated from one language to another, some passed down orally, it can hardly be considered absolute truth.

I agree. ('Sensible').
Many law systems around the world, seem to really be (originally) created on religious grounds.

E.g. The ten commandments.
Which seem to have somewhat been converted into modern day laws.