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Best USB RtL or similar SDR stick for a TXCVR IF 68,985
« on: October 08, 2020, 06:56:00 pm »
Hello everybody, as nobody wants to sell me the necessary crystals to clone the unobtanium FM board of my YAESU FT-920  |O, or do some other form of modulator/demodulator for 8.215MHz, I've decided fro another approach, and that is to add a "waterfall adapter" to the device, it has a nice tapping point on the first IF of 68,985MHz and I'll either plug it into my PC or put some RPi and just output the audio. I will have at least FM reception plus the other SDR goodies.

Now, I've got some early SDR sticks, even some that were claiming low freq front-end and they were mediocre at best under 100MHz, my question to the community is:
Is there a not too expensive modern device that could be used around 70MHz with good performance ?
Bonus points if is Linux supported, extra bonus points if available in EU.

EXTRA, SUPER, DOUBLE PLUS bonus points if someone could come or point me to a schematic for such module ( the FM mod/demod, not SDR) or 8.215MHz, doable with reasonably costing and available components. I will still install the SDR tap but I'll try to design a replacement FM board as well.
 
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Re: Best USB RtL or similar SDR stick for a TXCVR IF 68,985
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2020, 12:13:27 am »
For a low cost, I think RTLSDRv3 is the best choice. But look for original rtlsdr blog version, because there are a lot of fakes which looks similar, but actually worse quality rtlsdr with no direct sampling branch.

Bellow 300-600 USD it will be to hard to find something better.
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Re: Best USB RtL or similar SDR stick for a TXCVR IF 68,985
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 06:33:02 pm »
I personally think the HackRF has better receive than the RTL-SDR. Plus it has both a built in LNA

They both have the ability to power an external one.

Both are 8 bit but the HackRF has a lot fewer spurs, (than my RTLSDRs, I dont have an rtlsdr-blog one, however)

Plus the sample rate can be adjusted over a much wider range.

There are - it seems affordable VHF-UHF SDRs and affordable HF SDRs, vbut ery few cover both, and 70 MHz is right at the cusp where neither category is really that applicable..
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Re: Best USB RtL or similar SDR stick for a TXCVR IF 68,985
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2020, 08:06:17 pm »
Both are 8 bit but the HackRF has a lot fewer spurs, (than my RTLSDRs, I dont have an rtlsdr-blog one, however)
The genuine RTLSDR-blog units are a lot better than the cheap ones. Not sure if it would make that much a difference with a fairly strong signal at 70MHz, however.

For 8.215MHz, the V3 with direct sampling can work with it, or put it into a quadrature demodulator run at 8.192MHz which will yield an low IF of 23kHz, which will work with audio ADCs that support 96kHz sampling rate or higher.

For transmit, a $5 fl2k will be able to generate either IF frequency.
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Re: Best USB RtL or similar SDR stick for a TXCVR IF 68,985
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2020, 08:53:28 pm »
Many thanks to everyone that took the time reply, very interesting stuff, especially the fl2k thingie that is really new to me  :-+. Holly crap, this thing can emulate a GSM tower !!!
I was wondering about SDRPlay RSPdx, does anyone have experience with it, it claims to have 14bits and while not as cheap as the RTL-SDR, I'll only buy one and once.

Now if someone know a non PC/Computer assisted method for a FM mod/demod running at 8.192MHz WITHOUT requiring a quartz of this frequency, (I was desperately asking the manufacturers, both small and big, no chance to get any if there is no order of tens of thousands :(), I'm all willing to give it a try.

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Re: Best USB RtL or similar SDR stick for a TXCVR IF 68,985
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2020, 03:51:57 am »
Now if someone know a non PC/Computer assisted method for a FM mod/demod running at 8.192MHz WITHOUT requiring a quartz of this frequency, (I was desperately asking the manufacturers, both small and big, no chance to get any if there is no order of tens of thousands :(), I'm all willing to give it a try.
A high end microcontroller/mid range DSP or low to mid range FPGA will do it. In particular, the FPGA will give you quite a few PLLs that can be used to generate all sorts of frequencies from a common reference frequency like 10MHz.

If you take the microcontroller route with something like a dsPIC or STM32, you can use the PWM module to generate a set of quadrature clocks that can drive the quadrature demodulator in order to bring the signal frequencies down to within the bandwidth of the internal ADCs.

The FPGA route is a lot more difficult and somewhat more expensive, but you'll get a lot more capabilities with it. You can drive a quadrature demodulator with it just like with the microcontroller but that's a bit silly given any reasonable FPGA for that task will have no problems handling the 20Msps or so required to sample the 8MHz IF.
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