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Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« on: December 03, 2023, 03:23:26 am »
Simple spark gap transmitter tuned to the 80M ham band.  Pic 1 showing no secondary and antenna attached to the primary.   Pic 3 showing with secondary attached. 

A bit flipped than what is normally shown with the spark gap across the fly swatter rather than in series with it. 
 
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2023, 07:07:54 am »
I've read that spark-gap transmitters were eventually banned, mostly because of their broad spurious spectrum, though until now never seen a plot of that, thanks!
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2023, 05:34:36 pm »
I did not see any spectral data as well which I also thought would be interesting to demonstrate.   Following video showing it operating after wound for the 160 Meter band.   

Not having any sort of radio license, I'm sure a few hams will be upset and turn me into the FCC for transmitting in their bands.   :-DD :-DD


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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2023, 06:50:04 pm »
Using my old Drake TR-4 radio to listen to the fly swatter spark gap transmitter.   


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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2023, 08:55:14 pm »
Using a signal generator and car ignition coil as a source to simulate the sound of a rotary spark system.  I use the both CW and AM modes of the Drake to compare the sound.   


 
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2023, 01:45:56 am »
A viewer had asked to see what the signal looks like with a scope.   The voltage across the output capacitor isn't something I would want to probe directly, but here it is with the fly swatter attached and using a standard 10X probe with the ground strap attached to the tip for a pickup.

36 is a zoomed out view of a single breakdown of the sparkgap showing the decay of the tank.

37 is zoomed into the decaying area. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2023, 02:21:06 am »
This is with it tuned to the high side (4.8MHz).   The goal wasn't to have a real high frequency but rather something I could pickup with my old Drake radio and something I could make from junk I had laying around.    That radio will work up to the 15 meter band so it's certainly possible to build something that would work at a higher frequency. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2023, 01:29:53 am »
A higher frequency spark gap setup for the 15 - 10meter bands.    Tuned for roughly 28.5MHz.  As a sanity check, cursors are 4 cycles apart or 4X6.85 or 27.4MHz.   

Using a new set of AAAs in the fly swatter, the pulse period is roughly 1.37ms or about 730Hz.   I was able to increase this to 4.52kHz by running the fly swatter from the bench supply and increasing the voltage, until the transistor fried.   

No doubt it could be cycled much faster with a better supply.     
 
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2023, 02:18:10 am »
This transmitter can be tuned down to about 15MHz or so.  Shown tuned for the 15 meter band.  Now running from my ESD gun's DC supply with a 10Meg source.  The ESD gun's supply with this combination gives up with a pulse frequency of about 9.43kHz.   

This comes from a viewer asking about rotary spark gaps.  Consider a motor driving say 8 spark gaps.  9.43kHz / 8 = 1178 rotations per second.  Or 71,000 RPM to achieve  what is shown using minimal effort and no mechanical switching.   

The rotary spark would certainly look a lot more impressive but loud sounds and lots of big sparks has not been a goal. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2023, 03:41:09 am »
14.05MHz is the lower limit.   It's a pretty wide span for that trimmer cap.  Output is reasonably clean.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2023, 05:29:09 am »
Phase noise is about as bad as the first transmitter.  Showing the 1-4 harmonics as well.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2023, 12:08:25 am »
Rather than using the toroid,  added a winding.  No real attempt to optimize it.  Note use of the cheap 40dB attenuator to the SA (which has another 10dB attenuator).  Shown tuned for 22MHz.  Harmonics are shown out to 10.  The first harmonic is high and it could use an additional filter.   The spark occurs at a bit over 13kHz running from DC with the 10M source.   


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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2023, 05:22:42 am »
The following quotes were taken from this site on spark gap transmitters:
http://w2pa.net/HRH/spark-radio/

Data was taken using a 10x scope probe attached to one of my 50 ohm thru terminators without any attenuation.   Note that a MHV connector was added to supply the power.

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The radio regulations at the time of spark’s heyday, specified in the 1912 law, dictated that no transmission must have a decrement larger than 0.2, which corresponds to a decrease of 18% per RF cycle.2 With 0.2 decrement, each pulse or wave train lasts for 24 cycles. Anything shorter (that is, any decrement larger than 0.2) would exhibit “undesirable tuning qualities,” and 0.2 decrement was defined as the boundary between broad and sharp tuning3—zero decrement (CW) being the sharpest possible.

LeCroy61:  Transmitter was tuned for 20.0MHz, or a period of 50ns.  While the signal is still decaying beyond to 10us captured with the scope, ignore that.   10us / 50ns or 200 cycles. 

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High power (approximately 500 kW) versions used by commercial stations might typically use a disk with 20 to 30 electrodes contained within an enclosure to muffle the loud screeching noise it made when operating.

I didn't see any photos of what such a system would look like. 

LeCroy55:  The arc cycle time with the latest hardware is about 19kHz or 53us.  The output signal is pretty much dampened out by 10us. 

Using the 30 electrode commercial rotary gap claimed we can calculate the required RPM as 19,000 /30 pulses per rev, or 633 revs per sec.  X 60 = 38,000 RPM.   

Rather than 500kW I doubt I am making 500uW average.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2023, 09:49:58 pm »
Attempt to increase the arc cycle time, I went from DC back to AC.  The 10Meg source was removed.  Working with higher voltages, the trimmer cap was replaced with a part that has wider plate spacing.   I tried one of those Chinese HV transformers, hoping I could drive it faster but no luck.  The car ignition coil seems to work up to around 40kHz.  Notice that when running it this fast, there appears to be some secondary arc. 

Showing noise from 1 to 500MHz.  Not sure of the source at 44.5MHz.  Others are TV/radio....   

I was reminded about the craptastic USB bus as during these experiments, my mouse crapped out.  USB is fine for consumer use, but a poor choice if you work with any sort of noise sources.

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2023, 10:11:20 pm »
Another historical post off that site talking about the era when transitioning to CW.

http://w2pa.net/HRH/spark-to-cw/

Found the book he references from Elmer Bucher, 1917, Practical Wireless Telegraphy.  I've been thumbing through it.  Interesting to see some of the original early pre-tube era radios. 

https://ia600201.us.archive.org/33/items/practicalwire00buchrich/practicalwire00buchrich.pdf

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2023, 10:43:36 pm »
Shown with a white LED attached to the output.   Maybe 100mW with the car coil and 1kHz arc.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2023, 12:00:50 am »
Output power is limited by the tuning capacitor. 
 
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2024, 03:03:09 pm »
Showing the latest transmitter.  The small tuning capacitor was replaced with a part that has wider spacing to handle the higher voltage levels.

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2024, 03:11:08 pm »
Also, I had found this forum which had a similar discussion.  The OP posted a few photos of their transmitter.  It looks very fancy compared with my cardboard tubes and hot glue.  My goal isn't to make a historically accurate transmitter.  I'm just having a little fun with high voltage and RF.   

https://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=433567

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2024, 02:07:09 am »
baseline_SA_terminated
Showing the baseline noise with my spectrum analyzer terminated to 50 ohms.   

backgroundnoise_12inch
Showing the background noise with a 12" rod attached to the SA.  At this point, nothing with the transmitter is turned on.  I suspect the 10MHz is the GPS clock driver board as it is not shielded.   

Transmit_NoAntenna
Powering up the transmitter with no antenna.  The coils do radiate but the SA is far enough away (5 feet or so) that it doesn't pick it up much of a signal.

Transmit_40mDiapole
Attaching the transmitter to a 40 meter diapole.  The diapole is 40 feet or so away from the SA's antenna.   Maybe my neighbor could pick it up if they had a shortwave radio.  Another perspective on the emissions from this testing, driving to work I pass several power line poles that radiate enough broadband noise, they knock out the local stations.     

It's interesting to see these two signals side-by-side.  It really puts into perspective why these transmitters were banned. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2024, 03:38:41 pm »
Hackaday ran an article on my experiments. 

https://hackaday.com/2023/12/11/modern-spark-gap-transmitter-uses-a-rotary-gap/

Comments are pretty typical for the hams.  This one actually has a clue: 

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OTOH I also think the FCC has failed (probably other country’s organizations too but I don’t know them). They have allowed cheap electronics, especially cheaply made lighting to emit all sorts of interference and be mass marketed anyway.

I have some high intensity LED bulbs that when combined with the house wiring for an antenna structure, splatter from kHz to 10's of MHz.   I ran some tests on them and posted the data here back when I bought them.    As long as the FCC allows importing this crap, I am not going to get too excited about the narrow band, lower power my spark gap experiments produce.   May be fun to see which one will radiate further.   Guessing my light bulbs.
 
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2024, 07:46:37 am »
Hackaday ran an article on my experiments. 

Congrats!  :-+
 
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2024, 04:10:14 pm »
That's the third article they have written on my EE antics that I am aware of.   They ran one on the DMM testing and that breadboard oscillator contest we had here. 

Last night I ran a simple test using the latest transmitter with my calibrated clip lead for an antenna.  I had it tuned for around 20MHz and went for a walk.  I made it all the way to the front of my neighbor's house before I could no longer detect it. 

Maybe I can modulate the some of the bad LED bulbs and see how far these will radiate with the house wiring.  Shown was some data I took back in 2012 looking at the noise up to 1GHz.  Baseline shows the local radio stations.   The bulb basically wipes out all AM, FM and TV broadcast.   FCC allows them to import this garbage.   

I think that one power line transformer I pass on the way to work, which is in a more residential area, will knock out my FM radio  for a few blocks. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2024, 05:30:17 am »
New coil less the hot glue. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2024, 03:51:29 am »
S11 of primary with tuning and output terminated.   Time to hunt down a high voltage variable capacitor.   

Someone had posted about an AM transmitter in the beginners section and while I was looking at my Radio Shack 160 in 1 child's kit, I noticed it had a spark gap transmitter. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2024, 03:31:02 pm »
Output winding.  Second harmonic is present.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2024, 09:02:00 pm »
The flyswatter ran from 2 X AAA batteries.  I had damaged the transistor while running it from an external power supply.   Swapped out the dead part for a beefier part.  Added a GDT to the output to prevent it from over voltage (future experiments) and doped it up.   With 3XAAAs, it runs cold.

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2024, 11:12:47 pm »
Coil with antenna and flyswatter.   Looking at the signal with the SA, it's fairly broadband compared with other stations as expected.    Also shown is my TECSUN PL-990 receiver.   It's not a bad general purpose radio.   Encoders have been flawless. 

Using this dead spot of the band, I can receive the signal almost on the other side of the house.

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2024, 01:25:58 pm »
ARRL article starts out talking about a car's ignition system.

https://www.arrl.org/files/file/History/History%20of%20QST%20Volume%201%20-%20Technology/Kennedy%20N4GG.pdf

If we grounded the car’s chassis, connected an antenna directly to the ignition coil’s HV output and added a telegraph key in series with the ignition coil primary, we would have a complete 1900 spark gap transmitter along with 21st century “comfort features” like a leather operating seat and a sun roof. What could we do with this lash-up? We could transmit Morse code to a range of about 10 miles, with the emission occupying a huge amount of spectrum, centered on a frequency determined by the L-C resonance of the antenna’s series inductance and parallel capacitance to ground.

With the modern resistive plugs and COP, I doubt it.  Even in the case where I used an ignition coil to drive mine with an antenna attached, I made it to the neighbors house.  A long way off from 10 miles.   My dipole is cut for the 40M band but I never measured it.   Consider I was transmitting closer to 25MHz, that certainly wasn't helping.   The FCC would have to be parked in front of my house to pick it up.   :-DD    I wonder back in the early days how far the typical hams were actually able to communicate.  Consider the receiver I was using is a lot more sensitive than anything they had at the time.     

This last attempt will operate down to  6MHzish and should handle higher voltages once I replace that tiny tuning cap.     

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2024, 05:50:59 pm »
So far for all of my testing I have used DC voltage charging the cap at what ever rate, or in the case of the car ignition coil, driving it with my function generator.  I am thinking about making some sort of auto keyer for it. 

http://www.trainelectronics.com/MorseCode/
(I like their yard train set)

The plan is to have a programmable 1Hz to 1Khz with a fixed one-shot to drive the ignition coil.  I would mount everything,  including the battery.  The coil driver and would be on the same board.   Problem with increasing the voltage is it can create a fair bit of noise which could impact the circuit.   I thought about using CMOS gates to generate the timing and hard coding the identifier in diode logic.  Basically run it off a higher voltage to improve its margins.   It's not like we are dealing with anything fast.   

Micro would make more sense.   Just a DIP switch with a couple of bits for the modulation frequency (1,100,500 & 1k), 1bit for 5 or 10 WPM,  1bit for auto or manual, and a couple of bits to select an ID message.   

Idea would be to make it easier for the FCC (really me) to identify the source of the noise.   Right now, I am listening for a "click" sound which makes it difficult to tell if I am just hearing noise or the actual transmitter.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2024, 01:04:31 am »
Shown with new tuning cap.  Running 5kV to the primary will cause it to breakdown but it easily handles 2kV. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2024, 12:33:39 am »
Taken from the above article:

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The beauty of this program is the way that it stores the information for each Morse code character.  It uses the  first 5 bits of an 8 bit binary number (made up of 1’s and 0’s) to store the dot / dash information for each character and the last 3 bits to store how many dots and dashes there are.  For example the letter “L” is “._..” .  0100 would represent dot/dash/dot/dot with zero (0) for a dot and one (1) for a dash.  Since the Morse code representation of the letter is four characters long the end of its binary representation would be 100 which is binary for four.  Finally, put it together: “0100” + an extra filler zero + “100” gives us 0100 0 100 (01000100) in binary which is 68 in decimal.  The letter “R” would be 01000011, or 67 in decimal.  The easiest way to decode 010000011 is to take the last three digits, “011” which equals three, and use that number as the number of characters to take from the “front” of the number.  That gives us “010” as the code which is dot / dash / dot. 

I think the basic idea is fine but punctuation characters are 6 places.   Looking at the last three bits,  I am thinking anything over five, is a six place character.  110 would be 6 places with the 6th (LSB) set low (dot).  111 would be 6 places with the 6th place set high (dash).  For example a '.' which is dot,dash,dot,dash,dot,dash  would be represented with 01010111.    A '?' would be 00110110.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2024, 03:36:00 pm »
I was thinking about adding a small amount of C in parallel with the spark gap.  Idea being I could apply more energy to the gap itself than what is available in the tank.  In turn it would further ionize the gas and reduce the impedance of the gap.   Of course, you would take longer for the current to fall off enough to clear the gap.  Not a good idea for a transmitter....

Article discussing several of Tesla's patents.   
https://waveguide.blog/tag/spark-gaps/

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2024, 04:27:20 am »
Assembled and running with flyswatter.   
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2024, 05:05:47 pm »
Article on early detectors.  I've never heard of most of these. 
https://earlyradiohistory.us/1917de.htm

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2024, 11:54:50 am »
Homemade detector from a glass fuse, two brass inserts and a slurry of ??? metal.  The grill starter will trigger it from across the lab with no antenna but my transmitter, with a clip lead attached, sitting next to it, will not trigger it. 

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2024, 02:26:27 am »
Housing for the aerial current and reflected power meters.   
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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2024, 05:58:05 pm »
Left is a supply from an old air filter.  Takes DC in and outputs about 6kVDC.  The rectifier is internal to the white blob.   

Center one of those low cost HV transformers and MOSFET to drive it from and external signal generator.  The problem with this is the output power is very limited.   

Right is the flyswatter power supply.  Was 2kV DC.  Transformer is a kV with doubler.  Output cap removed and replaced transistor to allow operation at higher voltages.  Very limited power available and I want to drive the spark gap with a variable frequency. 

Leaning towards the car ignition coil.   Idea again is not to produce lots of noise and wipe out all of my neighbor's AM broadcast reception.   Maybe a small motorcycle coil would be a better choice.   

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Re: Fly swatter ham radio transmitter
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2024, 09:55:33 pm »
Using a car ignition coil to power the latest transmitter.  Using my new Tecsun PL-990 portable receiver to determine how far we are transmitting.   Also shown is a demonstration of the home made cohere.   



Old movie showing using an X-ray machine as a transmitter to signal for help.  In the movies, it messes with every radio broadcast.  It's Hollywood.. 



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