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How to measure VSWR of tiny antennas - how to eliminate effect of VNA cables?

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--- Quote from: rf-fil on April 12, 2024, 06:19:08 am ---Thanks - it's not an issue of "how to use VNA". Let's assume I've calibrated / de-embedded it properly, etc. What I mean - looking at my sketch:

This is a hypothetical case with a tiny PCB with a planar inverted F antenna, and then a test coax going to something like the NanoVNA - the huge blue box. In this case, the coax and the VNA are electrically large and will definitely impact the antenna impedance, and also the radiation pattern. But I want to (if possible) measure the antenna impedance, without the effect of the cable and the VNA, because that's how the final device will be used. The only way I can think of is using longer cable than what I've sketched up, and coiling the cable into a choke. But I wonder - are there better ways of doing it?

(Ferrite sleeves won't work that high, I believe.)

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I guess I lump every aspect of using a VNA as part of knowing how but whatever. 

Assuming you took the time to read that thread I linked, you saw how I connected to the PCB with BLE antenna and matching network, the coax I used, how I calibrated it, even my crappy soldering.   In my case, I was working with an existing radio.  If I were laying out a board to test the antenna/matching network, I would consider how I was going to interface it.  Basically making one board specifically to evaluate that section.   

classic way is use attenuators like 3 or 6 db on the cables at each end.  it removes the effects of the cable by matching.

if you doing field strength measurements, you could use a very large ground plane and drill a hole just big enought for the antenna connection.  Use a attenuator again to connect the antenna thru the hole to the VNA output.

Many  of the antenna designers I have met have used "Carbon-Based Foam Absorbers" to stop
power travelling along coaxial cables (and interfering with measurements). Far better than
ferrites that are narrowband in comparison. Resistive losses can also come from carbon fibres
applied correctly. Apply over the last wavelength(s) or so along the coax.


The "320-2 C-RAM MT" data sheet has lots of information.

E Kafeman:
If it is a real small DUT with integrated antenna such as a BT earphone and antenna relies on a ground as part of antenna, monopoles, F-antennas, which mirrors itself in  PCB ground => adding a measurement cable will change measured antenna impedance as cable braids will extend PCB ground size.
Correct impedance matching is then not possible if not some action are taken.
Even if PCB ground length is long relative actual wavelength will there be hot places along ground where a coaxial cable leaving PCB more heavily will affect measured impedance. Depending on situation can cable effect be reduced in a number of ways.
Sleeves and ferrite tubes to "cut off" cable braid works relative well at 1-3 GHz even if ferrite tubes material not are totally cutting or absorbing the braid current. Select ferrite material intended for as high frequencies as possible.
Never let test cable leave PCB ground at a ground corner or near antenna location.Especially if PCB ground is lossy from RF view or very short, such as split in small isles and traces, is it hard to avoid that coax cable braid becomes a vital part of antenna, which will result in a very different and probably poor impedance matching when cable is removed.
Sometimes must several ways be tested how to attach test cable without affect too much how RF current behaves in PCB ground. Hard to explain but I use a finger to search for places along ground that reacts more heavily at Smith chart, to find places to avoid letting cable leave PCB.
 Do below show how a cable is attached at a medium small PCB using just two small ferrite tubes around measurement cable. It is not ideal high impedance blockers or absorbers but it is just a marginal antenna affect by test cable remaining. https://youtu.be/RyMFun_KhAc?si=PkSXL6TAsHgfyyEe
 As the PCB in above video will be used close to a human head must also that be taken in account in how ground behaves and how body nearness can move around ground hot spots. If above video had been a customer project  had I probably done more detailed testing in different environments to find best impedance matching. Now was it a fictive job just to show principles how to do a 10 minutes quick impedance matching using AnTune software. 
>Many  of the antenna designers I have met have used "Carbon-Based Foam Absorbers"
None of my antenna design  colleges can use such material to avoid that cable braid  affects antenna impedance as its absorption effect is very low for short cable lengths, close to PCB.
 >ferrites that are narrowband in comparison 
 High freq. ferrites can very hardly be said to be narrow band but do mostly peak at 1-1.5 GHz in absorption efficiency and at 5 GHz are effect a bit too low to result in avoiding test cable very measurable acts as an low loss ground extension.
 So fare have I been lucky with antenna design and matching  at 5-6 GHz as in such cases have PCB ground been low loss and several lambdas in size which reduces problem that braid adds to ground size and hot spots can easier be avoided.
 A sleeve as alternative will always work. It is more narrow band but mostly wide enough to cover bands of interest at 5-6 GHz.

Generally, I allow for a U.FL jack on the PCB if possible.  By moving one short (capacitor) the jack looks toward the radio or toward the antenna.  I've been using short U.fl jumpers cut in half so only about 3" from my VNA cable to the DUT.  I cal to the end of the VNA cable, attach the U.FL stub then use port extension on a short applied at the PCB.  I've had good results from 0.8mm to 1mm coax, no smaller.  Most work at 2.4GHZ but some cellular antennas from 600MHz to 1.8GHz.

I will position the cable to minimize its impact as a ground plane extension.  Sometimes I'll use small ferrite tubes if the application is more critical.


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