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--- Quote from: PKTKS on September 01, 2021, 05:29:20 pm ---The bad news for OpenBSD in which they will put the same unsafe business into that as well

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For Linux it may * somehow * be acceptable as it is considered a sort of * Swiss army knife for * NIX, but for an OS like OpenBSD that has always made security its strong point, forcing SystemD is rather like betraying the founding ideals.

Yesterday I ordered a Lenovo AIO 3 IdeaCentre All in One from Amazon.

Paid 300 UKP thanks to a promotion. A big parcel arrived today with a 21" Full HD display, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U, 256GB SSD, 8 GB of RAM, DVD±RW, USB-keyboard and mouse, and "Windows 10 Pro" already installed.

Not bad for the money, enough decent to be dedicated to mobaXterm (kind of ssh + X11 support for Windows), plus a couple of RDP applications like TeamViewer and Suprema.

But ... I powered on the computer this morning before having lunch, and as soon as I connected to the internet it started downloading *hundred* MB of updates and billion billion patches, so many that it took until dinner to complete downloads, update things, and restart.

hundred MB of updates ... it must be related to the level of security, I guess :D

Ah first rule of Lenovo club is can the updates immediately and create some new latest windows 10 media from MSFT’s web site. Then wipe and install off that. Then only download the Lenovo drivers for the bits that don’t work after that is installed and updated.

On my T495 that is only the hot keys utility  :-+

damn this topic was/is a good read... if i only knew what 'folk" is... :<

Nominal Animal:
The problem with security in software is that it has to be designed in, as it cannot be bolted on afterwards.  This has been proven time and time again.
Unfortunately, designing security badly is too easy: see e.g. Sendmail and BIND for historically horrible security track records.

The true issue with the current situation is that we have at least one generation of desktop users who do not understand security, and see it as a hindrance instead of a tool.  So, any attempt to make things better is just plastering over the problems.  Many of those users have become developers, so it is the misunderstanding and bad practices that spreads, rather than proper understanding and security practices.

(Even though I use Tux as my avatar, the same problem affects Linux just as badly.  As mentioned by e.g. bd139 above, the defaults in Linux distributions aren't that secure either.  Making any OS –– even OpenBSD –– secure for given tasks takes a lot of effort, the overwhelming majority of which is about humans and their behaviour.)

I too have dealt with security issues, from oblivious users who keep their passwords on a post-it note stuck to their display in a publicly accessible office environment (and only grudgingly moved it –– to the bottom of their keyboard, of course), to intrusions, and to sysadmins who were so averse of being responsible and their actions trackable that they did absolutely all tasks using sudo su - so as to leave a plausible deniability wrt. system logs whether a given command was run by them or by another sysadmin.

The question of what level of security is sensible –– how much effort to spend –– in any given situation, is an interesting one.  I cannot help with Windows 10 myself, though.


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