UK government orders Apple to provide a backdoor

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@themadhippy, This is a serious discussion about slavery, human trafficking, murders, and real-world crime. Yet, you seem to approach it with a childish carelessness by posting such foolish pictures. These are issues that deserve respect and thoughtful attention. I believe such foolish pictures are completely inappropriate in this context.

With time, you will gain a deeper understanding of many things, including the foundation of faith. Faith is not based on books and pictures, but on analysis and logical reasoning of life situations.

For example, from the perspective of a naive child, a politician gains power through elections, where people vote for him. From the perspective of someone with experience, power comes from a higher authority, and it is not granted freely - it is earned through loyalty, often involving blackmail or compromising information. This is why so many politicians are associated with criminal activities, without such ties, they would never be allowed to hold power. These are the rules of our world and you cannot change it, the same as you cannot change Ohms law.

When you start to grasp these realities and then study the Bible, you will see that it’s not just pictures, but a very strict and logical framework behind these concepts. However, to truly understand this, one needs life experience, and typically, people don’t begin to fully grasp these things until they are around 40 years old or more.

[magic]

The joke's on infidels like you, because if you try to burn the proof of God's existence you go to prison

Dunno about God, but I swear that some countries today are proof positive that the Devil must be real.

[themadhippy]

This is a serious discussion about slavery, human trafficking, murders, and real-world crime. Yet, you seem to approach it with a childish carelessness by posting such foolish pictures.

compared to  postings  slabs  of nonsence about  some mythical figures whos only claim to existing is they got mentioned in a book of fairy tails

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compared to  postings  slabs  of nonsence about  some mythical figures whos only claim to existing is they got mentioned in a book of fairy tails

If you dismiss complex historical, philosophical, and ethical concepts simply because they are written in a book, you might be oversimplifying reality. Serious discussions require depth and understanding, not just shallow dismissal. This reaction is quite normal for a young person - at a young age, people often want to be revolutionaries and question everything. However, lacking knowledge and experience, they often end up in difficult situations by blindly following their rebellious ideas. And this is exactly what the devil exploits to tempt and take control of young souls. 

[PlainName]

Actually, some of the worst atrocities are performed in the name of religion, on behalf of the perps 'god'.

Politicians are often corrupt because they can be. No other reason - they find that as they climb the ladder normal rules don't apply to them so much, and they gradually drift into rule-breaking being the norm. Except for those that are irredeemably criminal, such as some current country leaders.

And some politicians appear corrupt because they end up between a rock and hard place, yet have to make some choice. Whatever they do will displease some and be 'proof' of some conspiracy thing.

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Actually, some of the worst atrocities are performed in the name of religion, on behalf of the perps 'god'.

This is what I call the desecration of faith.

Unfortunately, some people don’t see the difference between real faith and those who wear a cassock only to spread propaganda. In reality, faith itself does not commit atrocities - people do, often using religion as a cover for their own ambitions. Despite this, it is often quite easy to recognize such deception for those who are willing to look deeper.

Politicians are often corrupt because they can be. No other reason - they find that as they climb the ladder normal rules don't apply to them so much, and they gradually drift into rule-breaking being the norm. Except for those that are irredeemably criminal, such as some current country leaders.

It would be interesting to see politicians who are not criminals. I think it would be hard to find them. Power attracts those who seek control, and as they climb the ladder, they often realize that the system rewards compliance with hidden rules rather than integrity.

The idea that corruption happens simply because they 'can' overlooks the deeper mechanisms that ensure only the obedient and compromised reach the top. Isn't it?

And some politicians appear corrupt because they end up between a rock and hard place, yet have to make some choice. Whatever they do will displease some and be 'proof' of some conspiracy thing.

Yes, but this is exactly how the devil traps his victims in his cunning nets.

A person who is not a criminal would never choose a path that leads to such dilemmas in the first place - but I believe such people rarely enter politics. And even if they do, they are quickly crushed by the political system.

It is also important to note that even a corrupt politician still has a choice - not to commit further evil. However, the devil holds them back through fear of punishment for their past crimes. The deeper they go, the harder it becomes to escape this cycle. With each new crime, they sink further, just like an addict who constantly needs a stronger dose. In the end, only a few manage to break free from this vicious circle.

I think at some point, they begin to realize that their end is near. But this understanding comes only when the devil has already woven his intricate web around them, and breaking free becomes nearly impossible. From this moment on, they no longer receive the 'rewards' of temptation from the devil, but become his slaves, held captive by force, threats, and fear. The illusion of choice vanishes, and they are bound to his will, unable to escape the chains of their own making.

[themadhippy]

and then study the Bible

which is nothing more than a book of storys plagiarised from much older myths and legends,religon is nothing more than a way of keeping  the population under the control of some  leader and earning said leader a few quid.

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and then study the Bible

which is nothing more than a book of storys plagiarised from much older myths and legends,religon is nothing more than a way of keeping  the population under the control of some  leader and earning said leader a few quid.

One man found a piece of paper covered in strange symbols. He turned it over in his hands, couldn’t understand a word, and threw it in the trash. 'Just meaningless scribbles,' he thought.

Another man, a mathematician, happened to see the same paper. His heart started racing - before him was an elegant solution to a problem he had struggled with his entire life. In that moment, this scrap of paper became more valuable to him than all the riches in the world.

To one, it was worthless trash. To another, the answer he had spent a lifetime searching for. It all depends on who is looking.

Unfortunately, as Schopenhauer observed, in our real world, the first will far outnumber the second.


Actually politics is far more complex and nuanced than merely a means for accumulating wealth. While financial gain can be a factor, true political power operates on deeper levels - shaping ideologies, controlling narratives, and influencing entire societies across generations. It is about authority, legacy, and the ability to mold the course of history itself. Reducing it to a simple cash-grab oversimplifies the intricate mechanisms of governance and influence.

Those who enter politics with wealth accumulation as their primary goal seldom endure. Lacking strategic vision and true power, they inevitably find themselves outmaneuvered by those who understand the deeper game. In time, they either lose everything and are cast onto the scrapheap of history, or they become mere pawns-servants, in the most literal sense, to far darker and more formidable forces that truly dictate the course of events.


In The Prince, Machiavelli meticulously dissected the nature of power, outlining its dynamics and the intricate strategies rulers must employ to maintain their authority. He analyzed various forms of governance and demonstrated why a ruler who upholds and protects the interests of his own people possesses far greater resilience and strength than one who prioritizes short-term gains through alliances with oligarchs and foreign powers.

A leader who betrays his nation for personal advantage may achieve temporary success, but in the long run, he undermines the very foundation of his rule. Dependent on external forces and lacking genuine popular support, he becomes vulnerable to shifting loyalties and external manipulation. Ultimately, such a ruler is doomed to lose everything - either overthrown from within or discarded by the very powers he once sought to appease. Machiavelli’s insights remain as relevant today as they were centuries ago.

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Well, if UK gov't. officials are in panic mode because of this thing blowing up in their faces, I can't say it could happen to a more deserving bunch, given their horrendous overreach in trampling on privacy and free speech.

I doubt anyone in industry specifically relied on ADP for anything, so this is not likely to generate much blow back. It's just some irrelevant posturing.

[Bud]

Please stop to avoid the thread from being locked.

[Halcyon]

Didnt think this was the place for made up fairy tales.

What "fairy tales" you're talking about? They are worship Satan and now even don't hide it. Many people have died, and many souls and lives have been corrupted. Just open your eyes and watch.

They close churches and persecute clergy. They forbid belief in God, but at the same time force people to worship their symbols (which, by the way, violates God's commandments). They replace churches with their false "religions" that blasphemously mock believers with wild dances in churches and desecration of faith. They promote violence, murder, drugs, sexual perversion... And you want to say that you still don't see it and don't understand who they are?

I think he means the bits about a god and devil. Most people have no reason to believe that they exist. "God's Commandments" have no bearing on the lives of a significant percentage of the population.

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Remember, under the Five Eyes agreement, any info the UK has, the US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada also have. 

[SiliconWizard]

I am the eye in the sky, looking at you
I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools
I can cheat you blind

[brucehoult]

I am the eye in the sky, looking at you
I can read your mind
I am the maker of rules, dealing with fools
I can cheat you blind

You've taken lots of chances before
But I ain't gonna give anymore
Don't ask me
That's how it goes
'Cause part of me knows what you're thinking

I bought "I Robot" on cassette in 1977, then back-filled "Tales of Mystery and Imagination", and subsequent albums were insta-buys for many years.

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Remember, under the Five Eyes agreement, any info the UK has, the US, Australia, New Zealand and Canada also have. 

And under the lots of people are corrupt rule, anyone else has it for a modest fee.

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And under the lots of people are corrupt rule, anyone else has it for a modest fee.

Yes, any information collected by the government will inevitably become accessible to criminals.

Therefore, mandating a backdoor for government access is, in effect, equivalent to mandating a backdoor for criminals.

[artag]

I have to say, of all the countries in the world that are actively, assiduously working to undermine free speech and privacy and turn the entire world into an enormous police state, none, and I'm not exaggerating, none are pursuing this more earnestly than the goddamn UK.

Not even China has gone to the lengths that Blighty has done to strip every millimeter of privacy from its citizens.

(I'm not making any boasts as a US citizen: we're not far behind in that regard.)

"Prison Planet"

Tbh, I don't think they're doing anything different from any other government. Maybe just denying it a bit more incompetently than some.

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Think Stasi.

Stasi stammer certainly got a ring to it

Oh ffs. Like the last lot were determined to preserve our privacy at all costs ?
I happen to have a preference for the claimed priorities of the present government, and am very glad to see the back of the previous one. But I'm under no illusions as to how much difference it will make in reality. They'll all get away with whatever they can, as Starmer proved very quickly after gaining office with his continuation of the tory practice of accepting bribes. Only the source of the bribes changed.
 

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Think Stasi.

Stasi stammer certainly got a ring to it

Oh ffs. Like the last lot were determined to preserve our privacy at all costs ?
I happen to have a preference for the claimed priorities of the present government, and am very glad to see the back of the previous one. But I'm under no illusions as to how much difference it will make in reality. They'll all get away with whatever they can, as Starmer proved very quickly after gaining office with his continuation of the tory practice of accepting bribes. Only the source of the bribes changed.

Few politicians have a good attitude to the rights of their citizens, but Starmer doesn't even seem to be embarrassed about it.

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Think Stasi.

Stasi stammer certainly got a ring to it

Oh ffs. Like the last lot were determined to preserve our privacy at all costs ?
I happen to have a preference for the claimed priorities of the present government, and am very glad to see the back of the previous one. But I'm under no illusions as to how much difference it will make in reality. They'll all get away with whatever they can, as Starmer proved very quickly after gaining office with his continuation of the tory practice of accepting bribes. Only the source of the bribes changed.

Few politicians have a good attitude to the rights of their citizens, but Starmer doesn't even seem to be embarrassed about it.

He apparently said that “Westminster is just a tribal, shouting place". So, go figure what his notion of a democracy is. Just wondering.

[coppercone2]

like game of thrones

and you know its kind of ridiculous because this kind of stuff made sense during the london blitz , I don't think your situation is that dire yet that you need to curtail civil liberties to prevent german agents from directing bombers or something. It comes off as very cowardly, or like a seriously.. crippling OCD tendency. england, be brave

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He apparently said that “Westminster is just a tribal, shouting place". So, go figure what his notion of a democracy is. Just wondering.

He was also asked to choose between Westminster and Davos, and very positively chose Davos. I don't think this was due to his love of skiing.