I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Have you any sense of respect or decency? How can you think that this an acceptable thing to complain about?
You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?
I think after watching the last two videos about Dave not being paid for reviews and "the old" EEVblog I figured my opinion mattered and I would stir the pot, because Dave "likes feedback."
This threads going straight to my ignore list. Unfortunately I have to wait for someone else to feed the troll. >:(
I think after watching the last two videos about Dave not being paid for reviews and "the old" EEVblog I figured my opinion mattered and I would stir the pot, because Dave "likes feedback."
I like feedback without personal attacks.
Calling someone a prick is a personal attack that will get you banned on this forum.
Well, what can you say? I actually liked Davids videos as they are more of the tutorial type and I like that stuff too. You are of course free not to watch. The mechanical side is becoming ever more relevant and I use both with equal measure.
The problem is not your opinion but the nastiness in it. There are lots of people I prefer not to associate with, but I don't call them names in public just because they are not my type.
Some people fondly imagine that they are calling a spade a spade and being refreshingly honest. Everyone else just thinks they are being a dick.
Think. Would you say this to someone in person? If not, then why would you on the web? It hurts the same to the recipient.
You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.
When will these people get, people watch the show for the hosts. This isn't The Wiggles aimed at 4yo
It seems the section that I was referring to as "intense" has been removed. My issue is that it was ever posted in the first place.
Aside from being inappropriate, it's the quickest way to sabotage one's credibility.
You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.
OP:" I wouldn't complain about this. Keep in mind, that these videos are extras, the schedule for Dave videos haven't changed. And placing these vids on eevblog2 (or whatever) would even give him a chance.
But then, I have to quote Dave for Dave:When will these people get, people watch the show for the hosts. This isn't The Wiggles aimed at 4yo
I will be mindful that these are "extras." This last piece you quoted here is pivotal though. What I should have found a better way to say was that I don't think the quality and the presentation are at the level I am used to from EEVblog videos.
I just don't like the new kid.
I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.I reckon David adds value. In a big way. A couple of years ago most of his content would have been right up my alley. And I still get value from a good portion of his content.
I'm not saying it is bad. The recent EEVacademy videos just dont interest me, as it was covered in Digital Design 101 or Control Systems or other university course back in the day. And probably the majority of audience doesnt have EE qualifications, and this is new to them. Nothing wrong with that.I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.I reckon David adds value. In a big way. A couple of years ago most of his content would have been right up my alley. And I still get value from a good portion of his content.
I'm fortunate enough to know a lot more things, thanks to you jokers on this forum, and I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Dave on youtube. I don't watch 100% of his stuff any more, but it works out well for me that he's OK spending actual moola on someone else creating content.
OFFENSIVE PASSAGE REMOVED. I gave him a chance, but I guess I will have to skip 'ol David's videos. Bob's not his uncle and I request he be replaced by a promising and attractive young Sheila. It worked for Keysight'sSo maybe you just go watch some pron instead? If boobs are what you are after.
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
What contribution does someones appearance have on their engineering competence? How about you put a picture of yourself up and I'll comment on all of your wrinkles and receding hair line you old fart?
Jog on OP.
I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.
OFFENSIVE PASSAGE REMOVED. I gave him a chance, but I guess I will have to skip 'ol David's videos. Bob's not his uncle and I request he be replaced by a promising and attractive young Sheila. It worked for Keysight'sSo maybe you just go watch some pron instead? If boobs are what you are after.
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.
I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.
He's actually Boulder, Colorado. ;)
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
Yeas, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me. In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack. I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me. In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack. I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
Yeas, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me. In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack. I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.
Just because he has acne doesn’t make him less valuable as a person. If you don’t see that, it makes *you* the one who has no redeeming qualities. Someone that shallow is barely human.
Just FYI, some people have severe acne that doesn’t magically go away at 17. It follows them into adulthood and the only options are extreme medical treatments (high doses of antibiotics or Accutane, which can cause liver failure).
But by all means go right ahead being ignorant.
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me. In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack. I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.
You are looking more and more like a real id.ot, your parents must be real proud of you and your view on other humans....
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
Yeas, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me. In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack. I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.
Just because he has acne doesn’t make him less valuable as a person. If you don’t see that, it makes *you* the one who has no redeeming qualities. Someone that shallow is barely human.
Just FYI, some people have severe acne that doesn’t magically go away at 17. It follows them into adulthood and the only options are extreme medical treatments (high doses of antibiotics or Accutane, which can cause liver failure).
But by all means go right ahead being ignorant.
At what point did I say he had no value as a person?!? Ridiculous.
I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.
Which YouTube video were you referring to? Racist much?
... has bad skin...I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?
Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me. In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack. I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.
You are looking more and more like a real id.ot, your parents must be real proud of you and your view on other humans....
Yes, because I criticized a video here I am clearly sub-human. ::) As to parents, I would suggest you move out of your parent's basement and find things in the real world to be offended about.
The more I go on here, the more I realize that you are all VERY thin-skinned and easily offended. I find your "white knighting" for "David2" comical. You are all so desperate for something to be offended about.
The more I go on here, the more I realize that you are all VERY thin-skinned and easily offended. I find your "white knighting" for "David2" comical. You are all so desperate for something to be offended about.
Sure, we are all nuts, it is only YOU who are "right" :-/O
You seem to be the one taking offence now. Where's my popcorn.. :popcorn:
This thread sucks. Why should a personal attack on David2 be tolerated? IMHO Should be deleted, in fact isn't there a 'duty of care' to delete it?
*Based on the original post
Please (as a minimum), close this thread.
It is VERY inappropriate to talk about people in this way (in public).
This thread is apparently a personnel attack on someone, and surely is against the forum rules ?
CCP you seem to miss the point, this is not Dave's (David's) attempt at pleasing the general public for you to be nitpicking someone's looks, it's all about the content, and you hardly see David's face. Vast majority of us care only about the content, and these topics will never appeal to the mass public regardless who presents them.
Hopefully David doesn't take this seriously (as I do when I hear the recording of my voice). I haven't paid much attention to his videos since I'm not into the 3D printing and I do know the basic stuff presented in the eevAcademy videos, but really nothing out of the ordinary regarding this type of videos.
Hitler!
There time to close the topic Dave.
"Hitler" has nothing to do with you and has everything to do with Godwin's law. Recently Dave closed a thread when we reached this point, so I was just accelerating it.
You seem to get offended a lot quicker than many that have posted here, but fail to realize that changing personal appearance won't get him any significantly bigger viewing numbers. I'd rather he invests the extra time in quality/extent of knowledge being presented than combing his hair.
It's not like his commenting video games or something general.
Do you really think Dave has this many subscribers because of his looks? I actually prefer David's tone of voice to Dave's, but simply don't care. Keep in mind that Dave has had a lot of subscribers even before he took his shirt off in the ECG video.
Or you simply have a problem with David's age?
Interrupting a person during an interview is usually bad and rude but has nothing to do with what is discussed here.
It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge. It's ridiculous.
It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge. It's ridiculous.
It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.
It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge. It's ridiculous.
It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.
For the umpteenth time. People are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.
I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.
It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge. It's ridiculous.
It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.
For the umpteenth time. People are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.
And often excessively so. By loud-mouthed people on the internet, especially.
I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.
Fools do that, yes.
Well, we're judging you solely on what you write.
You're quite clearly incapable of any empathy with a young man getting his start in the world. If you don't like the content that David2 puts out you could just ignore it, just like I ignore Eminem. I feel no need to go online to decry Eminem, and the fact that you feel the need to go online to moan about David2's accent*, appearance and anything else you could get a hook into says more about you (and by implication, how much actual substance or weight** you have) than it says about David2 or anything that David2 has produced. At least David2 is trying to make a positive contribution to the world.
*David2's accent is Australian by the way, not British.
** Weight here is meant to convey moral or spiritual weight, not the lardy arse of anyone who follows the, seemingly typical, American diet.
And along came a straw man..
You've said your piece. You're now spending all day attacking people who don't agree.
Stop waiting for the moderators to close the thread: Just shut up.
And more name-calling from the Brits
And more name-calling from the Brits
It's what you get for suggesting that we sound like Australians. ;)
And more name-calling from the Brits
It's what you get for suggesting that we sound like Australians. ;)
I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.
Fools do that, yes.
Well, we're judging you solely on what you write.
You're quite clearly incapable of any empathy with a young man getting his start in the world. If you don't like the content that David2 puts out you could just ignore it, just like I ignore Eminem. I feel no need to go online to decry Eminem, and the fact that you feel the need to go online to moan about David2's accent*, appearance and anything else you could get a hook into says more about you (and by implication, how much actual substance or weight** you have) than it says about David2 or anything that David2 has produced. At least David2 is trying to make a positive contribution to the world.
*David2's accent is Australian by the way, not British.
** Weight here is meant to convey moral or spiritual weight, not the lardy arse of anyone who follows the, seemingly typical, American diet.
And more name-calling from the Brits, quite adept at quashing free speech and unpopular opinions aren't you? So much for a "Free and Open Forum."
my 2 cents : slow down. the new kid is talking too fast ,skipping things and confusing fundamentals . like the mcad comparison show.I agree about the I2C video. It is a bit like the deaf leading the blind the way he did it but then again try to find a seasoned engineer who can explain well and has time on his hands to make videos about it.
Rhino is a surface modeler. Solidworks is a parametric solid modeler. totally different animal. comparing apples and oranges.
Same for the i2c runthrough. so many base concepts missing. it is presented from a (bad) software perspective.
The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.
It happens every single day.
Is that wrong? Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".
Is that fair? Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.
The real question is: "Is it relevant?" - and here we venture into the subtleties of human behaviour.
I am well aware that there is an exceptionally wide range of personalities - and that the following illustration is by no means a universal truth - but it does occur ... and far more often than will ever be admitted.
If you were to have a face-to-face meeting with someone who weighs an unattractive 200Kg, you wouldn't be so bold as to make an issue of it - and you would look past it, as social protocols dictate, to not offend. If you were to have a subsequent discussion about that meeting, you would still be mindful of social courtesies. In both these situations, you would discipline yourself to "behave" and in so doing, you would benefit.
However, if you were to start watching a video in the privacy of your own home with someone who's voice or appearance irks you, it only takes one simple click to close a window ... and doing so has zero social implications.
Certainly, such a judgement could well be a really bad one as the content may have been perfectly suited to the watcher - and they will suffer from the loss of that knowledge - but this sort of decision process happens all the time.
Hmmm. I must have missed both the doubt and the entertainment.
Agree Brumby! But, my hope is that "we" as "technical nerds" hopefully has a tendency to be able to look away from these things and focus on the information and technical aspects that are being presented, no matter if the presenter has red hair or blue nails. Its the content that matters.
Agree Brumby! But, my hope is that "we" as "technical nerds" hopefully has a tendency to be able to look away from these things and focus on the information and technical aspects that are being presented, no matter if the presenter has red hair or blue nails. Its the content that matters.
That is my hope as well.
... but the blue nails might be pushing it ;)
my my what a mess. Well that is sir banned, end of the show I think.
Well I hope David takes heart in the support for him voiced here! It must be intimidating really considering Dave has chucked him in the deep end by publishing his vids on a channel with many thousands of subscribers who are used to his own inimicable style :) On the other hand, you have to grow a thick skin to survive so it's all good experience. I'm sure David will just get stronger through the experience.
The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.
It happens every single day.
Is that wrong? Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".
Is that fair? Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.
....Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”. Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing,....
....Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”. Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing,....
[emoji46] I hope you have stored up some really acerbic responses for these situations!
To be fair, David doesn't really want to make videos, it's not his thing. But often he's working on something or we talk about something and then I say, "hey, you should make a quick video about that" (because that's what I do), and what pops out is the result.
So yeah, he's been thrown in the deep end, but that's why he's paid the big bucks ;D
Part of the job description is to make occasional videos, just to get some extra content on the channel. It was an experiment to see if people liked it, and I asked this in the last survey and a majority said they didn't mind.
This is right. I have personally felt how to be judged by appearance. Before, on two legs and today in a wheelchair. The people that knew me before my accident mostly treat me like before. But now, when I meet new people, example in a restaurant, sometimes the waiters address my wife, and ask what I want. Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”. Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing, sitting in the chair. Its my legs, not my hearing. Just got to smile and let it pass.Just put a plaster cast on one leg. People will treat you way differently.
Fortunately I had the opportunity to learn not to do that early in my career. About 2 decades ago the boss announced a new EE intern who was somehow related to him and he would come over for an introduction. A couple of days later: lot's of boom-boom-boom noise outside coming from a car. The new intern just announced himself loud and clear. He came in with a hat on and made a very uninterested impression. At that point I had very little hope he would be able to start -let alone finish- the internship project I had lined up for him. That first impression couldn't be further off. After he started the guy quickly proved to be very bright and actually good at electronics even though it wasn't his hobby. Needless to say he 'stuck around' when he finished school.The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.
It happens every single day.
Is that wrong? Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".
Is that fair? Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.
This reminds me of some engineering students I had in the lab to interview me (one of them snapped that Wikipedia photo of me), and they had an assignment-thingy with questions about being judged in the work place. It was mostly about gender (of course, in today's climate), but I had to explain to them that is but one small thing of a whole host of stuff you might potentially get judged on in the real word whether you like it or not, whether it's fair or not, or whether it's even legal or not. Knowledge, educational background, enthusiasm, attitude, accent, speech, political bent, religious persuasion, looks, mannerisms, assertiveness or lack of, personal hygiene and grooming, body posture, any number of psychological traits, and an endless number of other things.
Welcome to the human race.
This thread is now about your favorite boy bands. Discgusst.
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This thread is now about your favorite boy bands. Discuss.
Some people will not send food back at restaurants and instead will not return. Which is better? It is hard to say until you hear the reaction of the chef. If he comes out and tell you you are wrong and gets all defensive then you know not coming back is the best course (deliberate pun ;) ). If he takes your feedback on board then you helped him maintain and improve standards.
This is right. I have personally felt how to be judged by appearance. Before, on two legs and today in a wheelchair. The people that knew me before my accident mostly treat me like before. But now, when I meet new people, example in a restaurant, sometimes the waiters address my wife, and ask what I want. Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”. Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing, sitting in the chair. Its my legs, not my hearing. Just got to smile and let it pass.Just put a plaster cast on one leg. People will treat you way differently.
Yes, it would.. :)
But as i see it, they are more handicaped than me..just its not their legs that dont work right, but their head!
So, in light of that, it would be wrong of me to not treat them with paitience and understanding as such..
Erik
It defiantly works and I tested the theory on Wednesday just gone, on a trip to the local hospital I had to park a mile away and then walk for about 1.6 kilometers :phew:, an elderly lady in a car noticed that I was walking with a limp and thought I was struggling to get across the road so she stopped to give way in the middle of heavy traffic, I was almost waiting for her to get out of the vehicle and then assist me the rest of the way but instead I waived her on, true story. I am unable to walk very far anymore due to muscle cramps and am waiting on an aortic iliac bifurcation reconstruction of all things, in laymens terms the quacks want to gut me like a fish. ::) :PBest of luck with what lies in front of you Muttley and wishing you a speedy recovery. :-*
I am unable to walk very far anymore due to muscle cramps and am waiting on an aortic iliac bifurcation reconstruction of all things, in laymens terms the quacks want to gut me like a fish. ::) :P
Brumby, that is a nicely formatted post. I wouldn't think of using a table. Noted for my future interactions in this forum.
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I am on tender-hook every time i take my dad in.
FYI. it's tenter-hook.