I Don't Like the "New Kid"

[CoalCreekPlastics]

I think after watching the last two videos about Dave not being paid for reviews and "the old" EEVblog I figured my opinion mattered and I would stir the pot, because Dave "likes feedback."

I don't like David and I'm trying to quantify why.  I guess for starters, he always looks like he just got out of bed, has bad skin, and I don't like his British accent.  There is something about his tutorials and videos that make them difficult to listen to and watch.  Perhaps it's the odd cadence or tone of his voice.  This last video comparing three mechanical CAD packages was just a goat rodeo.  Why are you modeling components in the first place when Solidworks supports like a zillion vendors putting their stuff in the application for you to use?  Jesus.

When I watch an EEVblog video I want to see Dave, I like his welcoming Australian "hoi" and his unique sense of humor and wit.  I also appreciate the knowledge I get from him.  He's charismatic and knowledgeable. David in contrast is not and seems to have none of the other things going for him. 

OFFENSIVE PASSAGE REMOVED.  I gave him a chance, but I guess I will have to skip 'ol David's videos. Bob's not his uncle and I request he be replaced by a promising and attractive young Sheila.  It worked for Keysight's videos.

[ChrisLX200]

You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?

[woody]

Silence is golden 

[CoalCreekPlastics]

I'm not even sure how to respond to this. Have you any sense of respect or decency? How can you think that this an acceptable thing to complain about?

LOL what?  Why is it unacceptable?  Indecent?  This is too funny.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?

Okay so yeah I agree, I already said that was the plan...

[EEVblog]

I think after watching the last two videos about Dave not being paid for reviews and "the old" EEVblog I figured my opinion mattered and I would stir the pot, because Dave "likes feedback."

I like feedback without personal attacks.
Calling someone a prick is a personal attack that will get you banned on this forum.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

This threads going straight to my ignore list. Unfortunately I have to wait for someone else to feed the troll. 

I'm not a troll, I just don't like the new kid.  Clearly it's a minority opinion.

[Dubbie]

Some people fondly imagine that they are calling a spade a spade and being refreshingly honest. Everyone else just thinks they are being a dick.

Think. Would you say this to someone in person? If not, then why would you on the web? It hurts the same to the recipient.

[Simon]

Well, what can you say? I actually liked Davids videos as they are more of the tutorial type and I like that stuff too. You are of course free not to watch. The mechanical side is becoming ever more relevant and I use both with equal measure.

The problem is not your opinion but the nastiness in it. There are lots of people I prefer not to associate with, but I don't call them names in public just because they are not my type.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

I think after watching the last two videos about Dave not being paid for reviews and "the old" EEVblog I figured my opinion mattered and I would stir the pot, because Dave "likes feedback."

I like feedback without personal attacks.
Calling someone a prick is a personal attack that will get you banned on this forum.

I removed that part, sorry if I went too far, it was meant to describe a stereotype. Sounds like this should just be deleted but I cant do it myself.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

Well, what can you say? I actually liked Davids videos as they are more of the tutorial type and I like that stuff too. You are of course free not to watch. The mechanical side is becoming ever more relevant and I use both with equal measure.

The problem is not your opinion but the nastiness in it. There are lots of people I prefer not to associate with, but I don't call them names in public just because they are not my type.

Nastiness was not intentional, seems like I'm the prick.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

Some people fondly imagine that they are calling a spade a spade and being refreshingly honest. Everyone else just thinks they are being a dick.

Think. Would you say this to someone in person? If not, then why would you on the web? It hurts the same to the recipient.

So I would have said that to his face, I guess the delivery didn't come across in text.

[Brumby]

When you've been on a 100% diet of Dave, adding something to the menu is going to affect the flavour of what gets served - and that is unavoidable.

The question becomes - How does this change sit with you?

The content is not an issue for me.  To me, it doesn't make a lot of difference who presents a subject, it's how it is presented that will attract the main focus of my critical assessment.

On that subject, I - and others - have given feedback on his first couple of videos, which seems to have been taken on board.  What more can you ask for?

As for the things that may not appeal to you (or anyone for that matter) certainly feel free to air your points - but I don't feel there is any need to get quite so "intense".

[Brumby]

It seems the section that I was referring to as "intense" has been removed.  My issue is that it was ever posted in the first place.

Aside from being inappropriate, it's the quickest way to sabotage one's credibility.

[tszaboo]

You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?

I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.

OP:" I wouldn't complain about this. Keep in mind, that these videos are extras, the schedule for Dave videos haven't changed. And placing these vids on eevblog2 (or whatever) would even give him a chance.
But then, I have to quote Dave for Dave:

When will these people get, people watch the show for the hosts. This isn't The Wiggles aimed at 4yo

[CoalCreekPlastics]

It seems the section that I was referring to as "intense" has been removed.  My issue is that it was ever posted in the first place.

Aside from being inappropriate, it's the quickest way to sabotage one's credibility.

I hear you, and I take your point and meaning.  It genuinely was not a personal attack, it was a ham-handed attempt at describing a stereotype.  This is why I am not on YouTube.  I also left the remainder up, so as not to further undermine my credibility by not standing by what I said.

I have received a good "talking to" here (and I am taking it after realizing the way it came across) and if the forum participants think I should, I will ask a moderator to take my comments down.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

You don't have to watch every vid to support the channel, just watch the ones that appeal to you. I actually liked David's presentation, so if you're finding them intollerable just move on OK?

I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.

OP:" I wouldn't complain about this. Keep in mind, that these videos are extras, the schedule for Dave videos haven't changed. And placing these vids on eevblog2 (or whatever) would even give him a chance.
But then, I have to quote Dave for Dave:

When will these people get, people watch the show for the hosts. This isn't The Wiggles aimed at 4yo

I will be mindful that these are "extras."  This last piece you quoted here is pivotal though.  What I should have found a better way to say was that I don't think the quality and the presentation are at the level I am used to from EEVblog videos.  I watch Dave (and want to support him, not get booted off his forum) because of all the good things I mentioned in my original post.
   

[EEVblog]

I will be mindful that these are "extras."  This last piece you quoted here is pivotal though.  What I should have found a better way to say was that I don't think the quality and the presentation are at the level I am used to from EEVblog videos.   

Which is why they do not get EEVblog numbers. It's not me and I don't direct or edit the videos in any major way.

[apelly]

I just don't like the new kid.

I like the dude a lot! Enthusiastic; doesn't talk rubbish; adds value...

SNR is in our favour with this one.

[Bashstreet]

I cannot say i especially find Dave 2 that watchable but no point to get personal and act like a ass.

[apelly]

I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.

I reckon David adds value. In a big way. A couple of years ago most of his content would have been right up my alley. And I still get value from a good portion of his content.

I'm fortunate enough to know a lot more things, thanks to you jokers on this forum, and I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Dave on youtube. I don't watch 100% of his stuff any more, but it works out well for me that he's OK spending actual moola on someone else creating content.

[tszaboo]

I skip David videos. The topics are either too basic, or just don't interest me.

I reckon David adds value. In a big way. A couple of years ago most of his content would have been right up my alley. And I still get value from a good portion of his content.

I'm fortunate enough to know a lot more things, thanks to you jokers on this forum, and I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Dave on youtube. I don't watch 100% of his stuff any more, but it works out well for me that he's OK spending actual moola on someone else creating content.

I'm not saying it is bad. The recent EEVacademy videos just dont interest me, as it was covered in Digital Design 101 or Control Systems or other university course back in the day. And probably the majority of audience doesnt have EE qualifications, and this is new to them. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm just providing feedback.

[imidis]

I'd be a little easy on david as a person, I mean think about if you were in his shoes and putting videos out there on daves channel? How much do you need to try and live up to? I don't know how much experience David has but, I'm sure even if you had experience it would be intimidating. I don't remember seeing David on camera much but I think it would help to get some facetime on camera and get to know him a bit. What it David passionate and excited about?  Just some thoughts.

[cgroen]

I like David, period! (and I don't like the tone in the original post, also period!)
He seems like a very bright young man, seeing his 3D printer video makes you realize that he has some very good skills (and he puts his energy into it!).
His "presenting mode" is different than Dave, so what ?
He has my outmost respect!

[NivagSwerdna]

This thread sucks.  Why should a personal attack on David2 be tolerated? IMHO Should be deleted, in fact isn't there a 'duty of care' to delete it?

*Based on the original post

[mc172]

What contribution does someones appearance have on their engineering competence? How about you put a picture of yourself up and I'll comment on all of your wrinkles and receding hair line you old fart?

Jog on OP.

[ChrisLX200]

Well I hope David takes heart in the support for him voiced here! It must be intimidating really considering Dave has chucked him in the deep end by publishing his vids on a channel with many thousands of subscribers who are used to his own inimicable style   On the other hand, you have to grow a thick skin to survive so it's all good experience. I'm sure David will just get stronger through the experience.

[wraper]

OFFENSIVE PASSAGE REMOVED.  I gave him a chance, but I guess I will have to skip 'ol David's videos. Bob's not his uncle and I request he be replaced by a promising and attractive young Sheila.  It worked for Keysight's

So maybe you just go watch some pron instead? If boobs are what you are after.

[free_electron]

my 2 cents : slow down. the new kid is talking too fast ,skipping things and confusing fundamentals . like the mcad comparison show.
Rhino is a surface modeler. Solidworks is a parametric solid modeler. totally different animal. comparing apples and oranges.

Same for the i2c runthrough. so many base concepts missing. it is presented from a (bad) software perspective.

[Monkeh]

I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.

[BBBbbb]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

[CoalCreekPlastics]

What contribution does someones appearance have on their engineering competence? How about you put a picture of yourself up and I'll comment on all of your wrinkles and receding hair line you old fart?

Jog on OP.

The difference you fail to grasp is that I am not all over YouTube proffering myself as a SME.  Like it or not,  we are judged by how we look and speak.  Just like you are now.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.

Which YouTube video were you referring to?  Racist much?

[CoalCreekPlastics]

OFFENSIVE PASSAGE REMOVED.  I gave him a chance, but I guess I will have to skip 'ol David's videos. Bob's not his uncle and I request he be replaced by a promising and attractive young Sheila.  It worked for Keysight's

So maybe you just go watch some pron instead? If boobs are what you are after.

I have a shot at a well-groomed boob anyways...

[CoalCreekPlastics]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

[Gyro]

I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.

He's actually Boulder, Colorado. 

[CoalCreekPlastics]

I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.

He's actually Boulder, Colorado. 

Boulder County actually...

[CoalCreekPlastics]

Moderators, the replies are clear in that the general consensus is that my statements are wrong.  Would you please delete my thread.  My intent was not to start a fight and I am not "trolling" and didn't intend to cause so many upset people.  Thank you.

[timb]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yeas, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

Just because he has acne doesn’t make him less valuable as a person. If you don’t see that, it makes *you* the one who has no redeeming qualities. Someone that shallow is barely human.

Just FYI, some people have severe acne that doesn’t magically go away at 17. It follows them into adulthood and the only options are extreme medical treatments (high doses of antibiotics or Accutane, which can cause liver failure).

But by all means go right ahead being ignorant.

[cgroen]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

You are looking more and more like a real id.ot, your parents must be real proud of you and your view on other humans....

[CoalCreekPlastics]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yeas, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

Just because he has acne doesn’t make him less valuable as a person. If you don’t see that, it makes *you* the one who has no redeeming qualities. Someone that shallow is barely human.

Just FYI, some people have severe acne that doesn’t magically go away at 17. It follows them into adulthood and the only options are extreme medical treatments (high doses of antibiotics or Accutane, which can cause liver failure).

But by all means go right ahead being ignorant.

At what point did I say he had no value as a person?!?  Ridiculous.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

You are looking more and more like a real id.ot, your parents must be real proud of you and your view on other humans....

Yes, because I criticized a video here I am clearly sub-human.    As to parents, I would suggest you move out of your parent's basement and find things in the real world to be offended about.

[timb]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yeas, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

Just because he has acne doesn’t make him less valuable as a person. If you don’t see that, it makes *you* the one who has no redeeming qualities. Someone that shallow is barely human.

Just FYI, some people have severe acne that doesn’t magically go away at 17. It follows them into adulthood and the only options are extreme medical treatments (high doses of antibiotics or Accutane, which can cause liver failure).

But by all means go right ahead being ignorant.

At what point did I say he had no value as a person?!?  Ridiculous.

The fact that you take more stock in the way he looks than what he knows says that. Remember the old adage about not judging a book by its cover? Or that beauty is only skin deep? You’d do well to remember that.

[Monkeh]

I don't like this Coal guy. Or his Mexican accent.

Which YouTube video were you referring to?  Racist much?

Actually, I was attempting to make fun of your typical American inability to distinguish accents. I know not of any video of yours, nor do I intend to watch any!

Perhaps if I'd said Canadian you'd be more or less offended and, apparently, it'd be less racist. Because mentioning Mexicans is racist these days. And black people. And Asians.

Is it racist to say Scandinavian too, or have not enough people taken offence at that yet?

[cgroen]

... has bad skin...

I can understand the accent or expressed enthusiasm remarks, but this? Seriously man?

Yes, I am serious, I don't care to watch someone with what look like pimples to me.  In the medium of video that's a valid critique, not a personal attack.  I took care of them before I was photographed when I had them.

You are looking more and more like a real id.ot, your parents must be real proud of you and your view on other humans....

Yes, because I criticized a video here I am clearly sub-human.    As to parents, I would suggest you move out of your parent's basement and find things in the real world to be offended about.

Thanks Troll, I'm 51, have no basement and both parents are gone long time ago 

Seriously, how long will this thread survive....

[CoalCreekPlastics]

The more I go on here, the more I realize that you are all VERY thin-skinned and easily offended.  I find your "white knighting" for "David2" comical.  You are all so desperate for something to be offended about.

[cgroen]

The more I go on here, the more I realize that you are all VERY thin-skinned and easily offended.  I find your "white knighting" for "David2" comical.  You are all so desperate for something to be offended about.

Sure, we are all nuts, it is only YOU who are "right" 

[CoalCreekPlastics]

The more I go on here, the more I realize that you are all VERY thin-skinned and easily offended.  I find your "white knighting" for "David2" comical.  You are all so desperate for something to be offended about.

Sure, we are all nuts, it is only YOU who are "right" 

No nuts, just easily offended and butthurt.

[Monkeh]

You seem to be the one taking offence now. Where's my popcorn..

[CoalCreekPlastics]

You seem to be the one taking offence now. Where's my popcorn..

Yup you're so right. 

[CoalCreekPlastics]

This thread sucks.  Why should a personal attack on David2 be tolerated? IMHO Should be deleted, in fact isn't there a 'duty of care' to delete it?

*Based on the original post

What exactly was personal?  What sucks here is someone with no real experience proffering themselves as a SME, and being unprofessional in doing so.

Please continue the white-knighting, it's hilarious to envision "David2" as a damsel in distress in a tower and all of you coming riding in to save him.

[MK14]

Please (as a minimum), close this thread.
It is VERY inappropriate to talk about people in this way (in public).
This thread is apparently a personnel attack on someone, and surely is against the forum rules ?

[CoalCreekPlastics]

Please (as a minimum), close this thread.
It is VERY inappropriate to talk about people in this way (in public).
This thread is apparently a personnel attack on someone, and surely is against the forum rules ?

...tripping over each other to save him.

Again, the truth for a VIDEO personality is not a personal attack.  And not one of you besides Dave himself have made any statements that are a basis in fact.  No statement of his credentials, not statements addressing the specific issues I brought up.  It's just the desire to be oh-so offended by nothing.

I agree whole heatedly, close the thread.  I have learned much here.  You want nothing to do with me, and I no longer want anything to do with any of you white-knights saving poor Rapunzel.  It's OK, these things happen.

[Bashstreet]

Just ban the fool and get over with it.

[BBBbbb]

CCP you seem to miss the point, this is not Dave's (David's) attempt at pleasing the general public for you to be nitpicking someone's looks, it's all about the content, and you hardly see David's face. Vast majority of us care only about the content, and these topics will never appeal to the mass public regardless who presents them.

Hopefully David doesn't take this seriously (as I do when I hear the recording of my voice). I haven't paid much attention to his videos since I'm not into the 3D printing and I do know the basic stuff presented in the eevAcademy videos, but really nothing out of the ordinary regarding this type of videos.



Hitler!
There time to close the topic Dave.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

CCP you seem to miss the point, this is not Dave's (David's) attempt at pleasing the general public for you to be nitpicking someone's looks, it's all about the content, and you hardly see David's face. Vast majority of us care only about the content, and these topics will never appeal to the mass public regardless who presents them.

Hopefully David doesn't take this seriously (as I do when I hear the recording of my voice). I haven't paid much attention to his videos since I'm not into the 3D printing and I do know the basic stuff presented in the eevAcademy videos, but really nothing out of the ordinary regarding this type of videos.



Hitler!
There time to close the topic Dave.

LOL, I'm Hitler now.  Outstanding!

I am not missing the point at all, you say this because you have no factual basis for your ridiculous oh-so offended white knighting.  Here I'll help you guys out:

• David2 has a degree in EE from X univeristy, he has worked for X years for X
• David2 is part of a generation that feel looks don't matter.  Another example would be Lady Ada from Adafruit.  She has pink hair and nose-rings.  She also continually interrupted Paul Horowitz when interviewing him, it's just the way they are.
• David2 doesn't have access to a comb or hairbrush, give the guy a break.

Or point me to the post where this was all laid out.

Catching on?  See if you were then it would undermine your "I'm offended and you're the devil" narrative going in this thread.  And that would leave all you white-knights without a damsel in distress.

Hitler...ridiculous and typical.  Anyone that says something I don't like is Hitler.  I killed 20 million Jews right?  How comical and something to make light of.

And another thing, the content and the delivery are not so hot either.  I stated that in my post, the "analysis" of the CAD packages was flawed and pointless.  I clicked on it thinking Dave Jones had done a quick video, I was wrong.  I want my 10 minutes back.

If the moderators want to ban me, so be it, let it commence immediately.  I will get over it.  I apologized for some of the delivery, I re-stated my case, but all the lot of you want to do is engage in group-think and nonsense.  The only personal attacks here are in posts to me.

[BBBbbb]

"Hitler" has nothing to do with you and has everything to do with Godwin's law. Recently Dave closed a thread when we reached this point, so I was just accelerating it.

You seem to get offended a lot quicker than many that have posted here, but fail to realize that changing personal appearance won't get him any significantly bigger viewing numbers. I'd rather he invests the extra time in quality/extent of knowledge being presented than combing his hair.
It's not like his commenting video games or something general.

Do you really think Dave has this many subscribers because of his looks? I actually prefer David's tone of voice to Dave's, but simply don't care. Keep in mind that Dave has had a lot of subscribers even before he took his shirt off in the ECG video.

Or you simply have a problem with David's age?

Interrupting a person during an interview is usually bad and rude but has nothing to do with what is discussed here.   

[Bud]

BBBbbb just trying forcibly invoke the Godwin's law to end the discussion....

[CoalCreekPlastics]

"Hitler" has nothing to do with you and has everything to do with Godwin's law. Recently Dave closed a thread when we reached this point, so I was just accelerating it.

You seem to get offended a lot quicker than many that have posted here, but fail to realize that changing personal appearance won't get him any significantly bigger viewing numbers. I'd rather he invests the extra time in quality/extent of knowledge being presented than combing his hair.
It's not like his commenting video games or something general.

Do you really think Dave has this many subscribers because of his looks? I actually prefer David's tone of voice to Dave's, but simply don't care. Keep in mind that Dave has had a lot of subscribers even before he took his shirt off in the ECG video.

Or you simply have a problem with David's age?

Interrupting a person during an interview is usually bad and rude but has nothing to do with what is discussed here.

Again, tripping over yourself to be the white-knight.  Can't even accept a helping hand.  You didn't even read the post obviously.  You all advocate for his "knowledge."  From the brainstorming video on I have yet to see one iota of this "brilliance." It is you who miss the point sir.  And I am not offended one damn bit, I have thicker skin than this forum.

ETA: And yes, I think Dave has many subscribers in part because he has a professional appearance.  I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.  Did the guy form Keysight come on and look like he just rolled out of bed?  Is that how you go in to your job?  It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge.  It's ridiculous.

[timgiles]

David2 is David2. Dave is Dave. With David2 working and putting out content there is simply more content we can all choose to watch or not. As for style - Dave != David2 but to be honest, 1xDave is enough. He puts out great content in his way and David2 will grow as his content count increases.

My feedback to Dave is to keep up the quality and the mix. I cant think of any videos I have immediately closed or skipped but every now and again there is something that does not click with me and I generally leave it on so Dave gets the full 'view count' with Youtube. But I dont expect every video to be made for me.

[Monkeh]

It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge.  It's ridiculous.

It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge.  It's ridiculous.

It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.

For the umpteenth time.  People are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.

[Monkeh]

It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge.  It's ridiculous.

It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.

For the umpteenth time.  People are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.

And often excessively so. By loud-mouthed people on the internet, especially.

[Cerebus]

I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.

Fools do that, yes.

Well, we're judging you solely on what you write.

You're quite clearly incapable of any empathy with a young man getting his start in the world. If you don't like the content that David2 puts out you could just ignore it, just like I ignore Eminem. I feel no need to go online to decry Eminem, and the fact that you feel the need to go online to moan about David2's accent*, appearance and anything else you could get a hook into says more about you (and by implication, how much actual substance or weight** you have) than it says about David2 or anything that David2 has produced. At least David2 is trying to make a positive contribution to the world.

*David2's accent is Australian by the way, not British.
** Weight here is meant to convey moral or spiritual weight, not the lardy arse of anyone who follows the, seemingly typical, American diet.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

It's like you people are trying to say that an unkempt appearance "automagically" implies knowledge.  It's ridiculous.

It's like you're saying any imperfection in appearance "automagically" implies unintelligence. It's ridiculous.

For the umpteenth time.  People are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.

And often excessively so. By loud-mouthed people on the internet, especially.

And we're back to name-calling, wow you're really good at quashing free thought and expression when it's unpopular. 

Tell you what, you have any number of chances to prove your point.  For example, go before a judge in any civil or criminal matter.  Go in in your finest "who farted" t-shirt and with you hair sticking up like you just got out of bed.  Proceed to name-call the opposing party (probably a plaintiff in your case) and let me know how that works out for you.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.

Fools do that, yes.

Well, we're judging you solely on what you write.

You're quite clearly incapable of any empathy with a young man getting his start in the world. If you don't like the content that David2 puts out you could just ignore it, just like I ignore Eminem. I feel no need to go online to decry Eminem, and the fact that you feel the need to go online to moan about David2's accent*, appearance and anything else you could get a hook into says more about you (and by implication, how much actual substance or weight** you have) than it says about David2 or anything that David2 has produced. At least David2 is trying to make a positive contribution to the world.

*David2's accent is Australian by the way, not British.
** Weight here is meant to convey moral or spiritual weight, not the lardy arse of anyone who follows the, seemingly typical, American diet.

And more name-calling from the Brits, quite adept at quashing free speech and unpopular opinions aren't you?  So much for a "Free and Open Forum."

[Monkeh]

And along came a straw man..

You've said your piece. You're now spending all day attacking people who don't agree.

Stop waiting for the moderators to close the thread: Just shut up.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

And along came a straw man..

You've said your piece. You're now spending all day attacking people who don't agree.

Stop waiting for the moderators to close the thread: Just shut up.

No that was you with the straw man argument, go back and read you own posts, and you shut up.  Again, no cogent argument so you throw a little temper tantrum.  You can dish it out and make comments about "the Yank" but can't take it.  ETA: I have tendency to stand up to group-think diluted bullies.

[mc172]

And more name-calling from the Brits

It's what you get for suggesting that we sound like Australians.

[CoalCreekPlastics]

And more name-calling from the Brits

It's what you get for suggesting that we sound like Australians.

David2 didn't sound Australian to me, mea culpa. 

[Cerebus]

And more name-calling from the Brits

It's what you get for suggesting that we sound like Australians.

I do whenever I drop anything heavy on my foot. It starts with "Strewth!" and gets more Australian by the second.

[Cerebus]

I'll cover this again, people are judged by the way they look and speak, like it or not.

Fools do that, yes.

Well, we're judging you solely on what you write.

You're quite clearly incapable of any empathy with a young man getting his start in the world. If you don't like the content that David2 puts out you could just ignore it, just like I ignore Eminem. I feel no need to go online to decry Eminem, and the fact that you feel the need to go online to moan about David2's accent*, appearance and anything else you could get a hook into says more about you (and by implication, how much actual substance or weight** you have) than it says about David2 or anything that David2 has produced. At least David2 is trying to make a positive contribution to the world.

*David2's accent is Australian by the way, not British.
** Weight here is meant to convey moral or spiritual weight, not the lardy arse of anyone who follows the, seemingly typical, American diet.

And more name-calling from the Brits, quite adept at quashing free speech and unpopular opinions aren't you?  So much for a "Free and Open Forum."

Except I didn't call you any names, which just goes to show that your arguments are as hollow as you apparently are.

You just don't get this do you? You go around calling people 'white knighters', 'name callers' and all manner of other things when in reality they are just horrified by your rudeness and general lack of common decency. Add to that, the fact that you brought nationality into it as soon as possible* and it is easy to see why many people form such a low opinion of your countrymen, based on examples like yours. Thankfully, there are a goodly number of Americans on here who conduct themselves in a decent fashion to counter your example.

At least there will be something good to come out of this thread, I guess that we'll all now know which Coloradan Eric Cartman was based on.

*Your 3rd sentence in this thread.

[Simon]

my my what a mess. Well that is sir banned, end of the show I think.

[nctnico]

my 2 cents : slow down. the new kid is talking too fast ,skipping things and confusing fundamentals . like the mcad comparison show.
Rhino is a surface modeler. Solidworks is a parametric solid modeler. totally different animal. comparing apples and oranges.

Same for the i2c runthrough. so many base concepts missing. it is presented from a (bad) software perspective.

I agree about the I2C video. It is a bit like the deaf leading the blind the way he did it but then again try to find a seasoned engineer who can explain well and has time on his hands to make videos about it.

[Brumby]

The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.

It happens every single day.

Is that wrong?  Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".

Is that fair?  Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.


The real question is: "Is it relevant?" - and here we venture into the subtleties of human behaviour.

I am well aware that there is an exceptionally wide range of personalities - and that the following illustration is by no means a universal truth - but it does occur ... and far more often than will ever be admitted.

If you were to have a face-to-face meeting with someone who weighs an unattractive 200Kg, you wouldn't be so bold as to make an issue of it - and you would look past it, as social protocols dictate, to not offend.  If you were to have a subsequent discussion about that meeting, you would still be mindful of social courtesies.  In both these situations, you would discipline yourself to "behave" and in so doing, you would benefit.

However, if you were to start watching a video in the privacy of your own home with someone who's voice or appearance irks you, it only takes one simple click to close a window ... and doing so has zero social implications.

Certainly, such a judgement could well be a really bad one as the content may have been perfectly suited to the watcher - and they will suffer from the loss of that knowledge - but this sort of decision process happens all the time.

[Simon]

Unfortunately it is human nature to judge by appearance/presentation but intelligent people know better. How many youtube video's are they that have thumbnails involving an attractive lady despite the particular scene depicted having minor relevance to the whole content or being in the content at all....... Unfortunately most unintelligent people have not figured it out yet and blunder through life making one ill judgement after another.

[cgroen]

The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.

It happens every single day.

Is that wrong?  Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".

Is that fair?  Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.


The real question is: "Is it relevant?" - and here we venture into the subtleties of human behaviour.

I am well aware that there is an exceptionally wide range of personalities - and that the following illustration is by no means a universal truth - but it does occur ... and far more often than will ever be admitted.

If you were to have a face-to-face meeting with someone who weighs an unattractive 200Kg, you wouldn't be so bold as to make an issue of it - and you would look past it, as social protocols dictate, to not offend.  If you were to have a subsequent discussion about that meeting, you would still be mindful of social courtesies.  In both these situations, you would discipline yourself to "behave" and in so doing, you would benefit.

However, if you were to start watching a video in the privacy of your own home with someone who's voice or appearance irks you, it only takes one simple click to close a window ... and doing so has zero social implications.

Certainly, such a judgement could well be a really bad one as the content may have been perfectly suited to the watcher - and they will suffer from the loss of that knowledge - but this sort of decision process happens all the time.

Agree Brumby! But, my hope is that "we" as "technical nerds" hopefully has a tendency to be able to look away from these things and focus on the information and technical aspects that are being presented, no matter if the presenter has red hair or blue nails. Its the content that matters.
What the OP did was very very far away from good behavior in my book!

[Simon]

quite, but unlike some people we like to give the benefit of the doubt while being entertained 

[Simon]

Hmmm. I must have missed both the doubt and the entertainment.

He was allowed to go on for a bit longer than really he should have and despite attempts to reason he was hilariously obstinate over things that have no relevance at all. What he said was not funny but his ability to not see the wood for the trees was hilarious.

[Brumby]

Agree Brumby! But, my hope is that "we" as "technical nerds" hopefully has a tendency to be able to look away from these things and focus on the information and technical aspects that are being presented, no matter if the presenter has red hair or blue nails. Its the content that matters.

That is my hope as well.

... but the blue nails might be pushing it   

[cgroen]

Agree Brumby! But, my hope is that "we" as "technical nerds" hopefully has a tendency to be able to look away from these things and focus on the information and technical aspects that are being presented, no matter if the presenter has red hair or blue nails. Its the content that matters.

That is my hope as well.

... but the blue nails might be pushing it   

Yeah, I immediately knew I was going over the line there 

[EEVblog]

my my what a mess. Well that is sir banned, end of the show I think.

I thought "oh, you banned him, really?" and then I read past the first page were he just couldn't help himself dig his own grave

[EEVblog]

Well I hope David takes heart in the support for him voiced here! It must be intimidating really considering Dave has chucked him in the deep end by publishing his vids on a channel with many thousands of subscribers who are used to his own inimicable style   On the other hand, you have to grow a thick skin to survive so it's all good experience. I'm sure David will just get stronger through the experience.

To be fair, David doesn't really want to make videos, it's not his thing. But often he's working on something or we talk about something and then I say, "hey, you should make a quick video about that" (because that's what I do), and what pops out is the result.
So yeah, he's been thrown in the deep end, but that's why he's paid the big bucks
Part of the job description is to make occasional videos, just to get some extra content on the channel. It was an experiment to see if people liked it, and I asked this in the last survey and a majority said they didn't mind.

[Simon]

I think David's preference of not being in the lime light was clear at the beginning although I expect it was hoped he would slowly gain confidence. If he can produce extra content and explore other areas I like to see that as his interests add more range and the mechanical is becoming more relevant.

[EEVblog]

The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.
It happens every single day.
Is that wrong?  Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".
Is that fair?  Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.

This reminds me of some engineering students I had in the lab to interview me (one of them snapped that Wikipedia photo of me), and they had an assignment-thingy with questions about being judged in the work place. It was mostly about gender (of course, in today's climate), but I had to explain to them that is but one small thing of a whole host of stuff you might potentially get judged on in the real word whether you like it or not, whether it's fair or not, or whether it's even legal or not. Knowledge, educational background, enthusiasm, attitude, accent, speech, political bent, religious persuasion, looks, mannerisms, assertiveness or lack of, personal hygiene and grooming, body posture, any number of psychological traits, and an endless number of other things.
Welcome to the human race.

[ErikTheNorwegian]

This is right. I have personally felt how to be judged by appearance. Before, on two legs  and today in a wheelchair. The people that knew me before my accident mostly treat me like before. But now, when I meet new people, example in a restaurant, sometimes the waiters address my wife, and ask what I want. Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”.  Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing, sitting in the chair. Its my legs, not my hearing.  Just got to smile and let it pass. I learnt, that people that judge other that way, are often people that I would not have as friends. And besides, they must have bigger problems that my disability gives me. Disability, diagnoses, is to be found on different levels for us all. They are more or less disguised or covered by different ways of adapting and learning. We as humans are not perfect in any ways. It’s just about acceptance. Between people and all the quirks we all got more or less visible for others.
I`m following other bloggers in the same field as EEVBLOG, and some of the bloggers are ex Russians, German’s with a rather hard to follow accents and pronunciations..  But for me it’s all about the message. 

But that’s just my opinion..
Erik

[Dubbie]

....Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”.  Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing,....

[emoji46] I hope you have stored up some really acerbic responses for these situations!

[Simon]

indeed, I find it very annoying that my local police force has a motto that "being you is not a crime" but then goes on to qualify what "being you" is and it's basically race or religion only. People generally want to feel included, so basic bullying is to find something that sets them apart and point it out no matter how irrelevant it is.

[ErikTheNorwegian]

....Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”.  Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing,....

[emoji46] I hope you have stored up some really acerbic responses for these situations!

Oh yes!  I try to remember the funny ones..
I was in a elevator, a woman with a baby in a stroller and a child around 4-5 years beside came in. The child looked at me, and then up on its mother and asked "Momy, is that a stroller for grownups!
The mother turned pink!
Isaid to the child.. "yes my wife would strongly agree!"

I have a IT/EE company and do a lot of different things, and i got one of Scandinavia’s biggest suppliers ALSO, or i did go , not any more. Normally every year we got a invite to their "product presentation and party" at a hotel. Some hours with news and education, and a good dinner and free drinks after. As normal i replied on their invite that came in a E-mail. Went online as usual filling out that i was interested to attend. After a while, the date was nearing, I noticed that I was removed from the seminar. I phoned and asked why, surly there had to be anything wrong, “Yes, we have got an hint that you are in a wheelchair the man said.. we have no room for a person in a wheelchair”  Stopped my business with them immediately from then.


Erik

[imidis]

To be fair, David doesn't really want to make videos, it's not his thing. But often he's working on something or we talk about something and then I say, "hey, you should make a quick video about that" (because that's what I do), and what pops out is the result.
So yeah, he's been thrown in the deep end, but that's why he's paid the big bucks
Part of the job description is to make occasional videos, just to get some extra content on the channel. It was an experiment to see if people liked it, and I asked this in the last survey and a majority said they didn't mind.

Deep end indeed! 

But don't let it discourage you all. I think it's most down to what interests someone. I have skipped even your videos if I don't find the topic interesting at the moment, but I've caught myself going back when it was more relevant to me to watch them and I'm extremely appreciative they exist.

I just don't understand why some people won't just skip what doesn't interest them.

I'm still not used to David, but if it interests me it doesn't really matter.

That said, more mailbags! 

[Circlotron]

This is right. I have personally felt how to be judged by appearance. Before, on two legs  and today in a wheelchair. The people that knew me before my accident mostly treat me like before. But now, when I meet new people, example in a restaurant, sometimes the waiters address my wife, and ask what I want. Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”.  Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing, sitting in the chair. Its my legs, not my hearing.  Just got to smile and let it pass.

Just put a plaster cast on one leg. People will treat you way differently.

[nctnico]

The irony of this is that people are judged by how they look and speak and act.
It happens every single day.
Is that wrong?  Some may argue "Yes" and others "No" while there will be a middle ground of "It depends".
Is that fair?  Sometimes it is quite unfair, no doubt about it.

This reminds me of some engineering students I had in the lab to interview me (one of them snapped that Wikipedia photo of me), and they had an assignment-thingy with questions about being judged in the work place. It was mostly about gender (of course, in today's climate), but I had to explain to them that is but one small thing of a whole host of stuff you might potentially get judged on in the real word whether you like it or not, whether it's fair or not, or whether it's even legal or not. Knowledge, educational background, enthusiasm, attitude, accent, speech, political bent, religious persuasion, looks, mannerisms, assertiveness or lack of, personal hygiene and grooming, body posture, any number of psychological traits, and an endless number of other things.
Welcome to the human race.

Fortunately I had the opportunity to learn not to do that early in my career. About 2 decades ago the boss announced a new EE intern who was somehow related to him and he would come over for an introduction. A couple of days later: lot's of boom-boom-boom noise outside coming from a car. The new intern just announced himself loud and clear. He came in with a hat on and made a very uninterested impression. At that point I had very little hope he would be able to start -let alone finish- the internship project I had lined up for him. That first impression couldn't be further off. After he started the guy quickly proved to be very bright and actually good at electronics even though it wasn't his hobby. Needless to say he 'stuck around' when he finished school.

[Simon]

unfortunately we instinctively run on appearances and impressions. This is really why as a society we are in a mess. Does a politician get elected based on their actions or what they say. I continually here on the news about how well one politician did in a debate versus another, this was nothing to do with their version of what the problem is and how to solve it but how well one came out versus the other, ie which one was the victorious bully, it's maddening and it goes right across society.

I used to do a weeks volunteering at a centre for disabled people for rotary. the idea of the centre was to show people that their disability did not have to limit them. At the end of the week the "district govenor" comes up for a couple of days basically to pat everyone on the back and see how well spent the grant money was. The idea is that they spent at least a day visiting the different sites and watch activities take place and have a go themselves sometimes. One year the district governor was someone i already knew and her husband has something like MS if i recall, anyway he is mobility scooter bound. I get the impression she does not think much of her husband despite the fact he is perfectly all there and i always make a point of talking to him if i see them going around, he is often left in a corner on his scooter as a "burden" at large events. So they came to my team which that day was about to set off on a little canoe trip across the lake. She and her guide got out of the car, left her husband on his scooter and came across the beach to us to do the usual's. I was not really happy that he had been abandoned, sure it was a pebble beach and it posed a challenge but this organization and week was all about breaking down barriers for disabled people and putting them in boats, over cliffs and anywhere they would go without bursting into tears. So in disgust I went over to him, I knew there was a nice study rope in the mini bus we had just come in, I wrapped it around the front of his scooter and part lifting the front dragged him across the beach to the group without too much trouble and told them off for abandoning him when the whole point of the exercise was to help disabled people live a full life and break down barriers for them, oh but then he was not an official customer !!!!

[timb]

You know, I never really liked NKOTB that much either. I could never see what all the girls at school were swooning over. (Except for Donnie Wahlberg. He’s OK!)

Now the Backstreet Boys? That I could get into!

This thread is now about your favorite boy bands. Discuss.

[BradC]

This thread is now about your favorite boy bands. Discgusst.

FTFY

Damnit. I wasn't going to post in this thread.

[Brumby]

Damnit. I wasn't going to post in this thread.

[Simon]

This thread is now about your favorite boy bands. Discuss.

Really? since when?

[Simon]

Some people will not send food back at restaurants and instead will not return. Which is better? It is hard to say until you hear the reaction of the chef. If he comes out and tell you you are wrong and gets all defensive then you know not coming back is the best course (deliberate pun ). If he takes your feedback on board then you helped him maintain and improve standards.

I just leave a bad review if they have taken the piss. for example i once visited a "greek" restaurant and picked the stuffed squid, this was claimed to be stuff with seafood. What I got was a couple of prawns and then lots of seafood/crab stick (flour with fish protein). Well I said nothing, but left a damming review. What is the point in pointing out to someone you know they have ripped you off? They are relying on passing trade and will never change, so simples, make sure anyone else going there is forewarned.

[ErikTheNorwegian]

This is right. I have personally felt how to be judged by appearance. Before, on two legs  and today in a wheelchair. The people that knew me before my accident mostly treat me like before. But now, when I meet new people, example in a restaurant, sometimes the waiters address my wife, and ask what I want. Once I was in a restaurant, the waiter said, “you know that you got top pay for the food you order.. It’s not free”.  Or they shout into my ear, as if its like that i`m hard of hearing, sitting in the chair. Its my legs, not my hearing.  Just got to smile and let it pass.

Just put a plaster cast on one leg. People will treat you way differently.

Yes, it would..
But as i see it, they are more handicaped than me..just its not their legs that dont work right, but their head!
So, in light of that, it would be wrong of me to not treat them with paitience and understanding as such..

Erik

[Simon]

Yes, it would..
But as i see it, they are more handicaped than me..just its not their legs that dont work right, but their head!
So, in light of that, it would be wrong of me to not treat them with paitience and understanding as such..

Erik

Nicely put. When I used to do my volunteering I mixed quite well with people as I never talked down to them and treated them as equals and was as silly as they would want to be like going off and using stones in a tiny stream to step on to get across instead of the bridge provided, it meant they could follow my lead and do what they wanted to do anyway. I'm sure my team had more fun than the other teams.

[Muttley Snickers]

It defiantly works and I tested the theory on Wednesday just gone, on a trip to the local hospital I had to park a mile away and then walk for about 1.6 kilometers , an elderly lady in a car noticed that I was walking with a limp and thought I was struggling to get across the road so she stopped to give way in the middle of heavy traffic, I was almost waiting for her to get out of the vehicle and then assist me the rest of the way but instead I waived her on, true story. I am unable to walk very far anymore due to muscle cramps and am waiting on an aortic iliac bifurcation reconstruction of all things, in laymens terms the quacks want to gut me like a fish.   

[tautech]

It defiantly works and I tested the theory on Wednesday just gone, on a trip to the local hospital I had to park a mile away and then walk for about 1.6 kilometers , an elderly lady in a car noticed that I was walking with a limp and thought I was struggling to get across the road so she stopped to give way in the middle of heavy traffic, I was almost waiting for her to get out of the vehicle and then assist me the rest of the way but instead I waived her on, true story. I am unable to walk very far anymore due to muscle cramps and am waiting on an aortic iliac bifurcation reconstruction of all things, in laymens terms the quacks want to gut me like a fish.   

Best of luck with what lies in front of you Muttley and wishing you a speedy recovery. 

[Cerebus]

I am unable to walk very far anymore due to muscle cramps and am waiting on an aortic iliac bifurcation reconstruction of all things, in laymens terms the quacks want to gut me like a fish.   

Oh, they figured out what was wrong? Good! Last time I heard anything from you on the subject, you were feeling unwell but nobody had figured out what was the problem. Good luck.

[Simon]

yea well he's not in the UK where doctors are paid to keep the government costs down

[Muttley Snickers]

Thanks for the concern Cerebus, it is noted and very much appreciated. 

I know this probably off topic and perhaps out of order but for me the entire medical treatment thing has been a ridiculous comedy of negligence and incompetence, seriously I am lucky to be still here and that was only due to me questioning particular procedures and holding people to account. In my entire life I've never been on anything more than Panadol but after I was diagnosed with heart disease or left ventricle thrombosis back in February and after having stents implanted they put me on all sorts of side effect inducing garbage including Warfarin, Plavix, Lipitor, Ezetrol, Metroprolol, Ramipril and a host of other shit including Clexane and Heprin injections.

On two occasions to date being on blood thinners I have nearly bled out and even the director of cardiology himself instructed me to go back on the Asprin tablets after an LDL or cholesterol reading came back high from another pathology laboratory, when I rang the emergency department to explain that I was bleeding to death they said to keep pressure over the wounds and I replied with the statement that I am not a fucking octopus and am bleeding from everywhere even through the dressings, a seriously scary experience I can tell you.

After I refused to have my chest opened they noted on my permanent record as having refused beneficial medical intervention which later led to a permanent notation of suicidal tendencies, seriously I'm not joking and once I was discharged from hospital the Police came around to my residence and stated they had concerns for my welfare and seized all of my firearms deeming me as not a fit and proper person which now affects my lively hood, I've been required to submit psychologist reports and everything and the legal battle continues to this day with their delay and dissuade tactics fully employed, the whole thing is fucked up.     

[Simon]

Sounds like the UK except they just ignore you. I am on tender-hook every time i take my dad in. Last time he had a suspected stroke the doctor gave him additional aspirin and sent him to hospital with a letter stating the dose of aspirin he had been given (the maximum daily), they then lost the letter and tried to give him further blood thinning medication but I reminded them that he had already had a full aspirin does, so the nurse walked off leaving the cup in my dads hands to check and never cam back.....

[rsjsouza]

Damnit. I wasn't going to post in this thread.

Brumby, that is a nicely formatted post. I wouldn't think of using a table. Noted for my future interactions in this forum.

(well, don't go accusing me of derailing the thread - the current discussion is about appearances anyways, and that is a post with a nice appearance )

[Simon]

oh right, thanks

[timb]

I am on tender-hook every time i take my dad in.

FYI. it's tenter-hook.

Maybe he’s just over used his tenter-hook and it’s really sore. I tend to get a tender tenter-hook when I toggle it too often. It’s quite a pain.