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Title: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: reagle on May 25, 2012, 02:30:20 am
Can't seem to remember if Dave ever reviewed it . An awesome tool- just bought one at work and it saved a lot of time already, thanks to the protocol decoders and overall very intuitive interface.
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: Bored@Work on May 25, 2012, 06:23:48 am
IIRC in one of the very early videos he did talk about this kind of logic analyzers.
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: AlphZeta on May 25, 2012, 12:16:00 pm
There's a decent video review I have found on this very logic analyzer on youtube (Saleae Logic and Logic16 Product Review (Part 1/2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_kXNx7Q_-Q#ws))

It's done by the signal path blog. I did some googling on them, apparently they are run by a few ph.Ds in electrical engineering and the videos are definitely worth watching.
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: T4P on May 25, 2012, 01:23:38 pm


It's done by the signal path blog. I did some googling on them, apparently they are run by a few ph.Ds in electrical engineering and the videos are definitely worth watching.
Eh ... umm ?
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: AlphZeta on May 25, 2012, 02:09:28 pm
What's wrong with "electrical engineering"?
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: T4P on May 25, 2012, 04:31:08 pm
What's wrong with "electrical engineering"?

Is there a link between electrical and electronics ? I don't know
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: alm on May 26, 2012, 01:04:13 pm
I don't think Dave reviewed the original Saleae or any particular logic analyzer, except a general video about USB logic analyzers.

Is there a link between electrical and electronics ? I don't know
Yes. Electrical engineering is the standard term for this program in the US, for example:
http://www.seas.harvard.edu/teaching-learning/areas/ee (http://www.seas.harvard.edu/teaching-learning/areas/ee)
http://ee.stanford.edu/ (http://ee.stanford.edu/)
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/ (http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/)
http://www.eecs.mit.edu/ (http://www.eecs.mit.edu/)

This might include power transmission, power electronics, computers and telecommunication.
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: T4P on May 26, 2012, 01:13:24 pm
I don't think Dave reviewed the original Saleae or any particular logic analyzer, except a general video about USB logic analyzers.

Is there a link between electrical and electronics ? I don't know
Yes. Electrical engineering is the standard term for this program in the US, for example:
http://www.seas.harvard.edu/teaching-learning/areas/ee (http://www.seas.harvard.edu/teaching-learning/areas/ee)
http://ee.stanford.edu/ (http://ee.stanford.edu/)
http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/ (http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/)
http://www.eecs.mit.edu/ (http://www.eecs.mit.edu/)

This might include power transmission, power electronics, computers and telecommunication.

Sorry about that, here in my town there's a clear separation between EE's and sparkies
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: codeboy2k on May 27, 2012, 10:16:36 am
Sorry about that, here in my town there's a clear separation between EE's and sparkies

There's a clear separation between EE's and "sparkies" in the US and Canada too, and probably Australia, UK, and the world over.

In the US and Canada, EE's are Electrical Engineers and deal with electronics design, theory, safety, etc.  They don't wire houses, or hookup street lamps to the power grid, although they certainly designed the DC to DC converter in that LED lamp post, and designed the power source powering the grid.  I don't want to get into the degree vs non-degree debate here, but EE's know electronics, and some even learned it at school :)

Electricians are what you call sparkies. They are trades-people, and usually licensed in a jurisdiction. They deal with the power grid, wiring houses, buildings, etc. (sparkies - I don't like that word, where did it come from? If they refer to themselves as sparkies, well I guess they chose it then, like some EE's might call themselves nerds. )

Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: T4P on May 27, 2012, 02:43:21 pm
Ah yeah, sorry about that.
The confusion here is that Electrical Engineers here are just that, a sparkie.
Electronics Engineers are what you guys call a Electrical Engineer
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: codeboy2k on May 27, 2012, 07:54:52 pm
Ah yeah, sorry about that.
The confusion here is that Electrical Engineers here are just that, a sparkie.
Electronics Engineers are what you guys call a Electrical Engineer

I never liked the term Electrical Engineer either, but it's the title, and it's stuck for now. 

But I really want a degree in Electron Wrangling, like free_electron has :)  I want a Ph.D.EW.  :)
Whenever I tell anyone my title, it will sound like I am sneezing at them.
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: free_electron on May 27, 2012, 08:51:23 pm
A degree in Electron Wrangling (we don't like the word 'degree' ,  it's more of a 'quality label written in pencil on a piece of scrap paper') is very difficult to obtain. Entry exams are brutal .. if you haven't burnt a finger on a hot transistor by age 6 your chances of making it all the way to the end are greatly diminished. Of course every application is considered and evaluated on a case-by-case basis and we are open to jacks-of-all-trades, self-tought people, serious hobbyists and other creative minds and tinkerers. Bring your tin-foil hat or propeller-beanie if you must.

There is only one factor that is absolute in blocking entrance: If you have a regular Phd , MSEE or BSEE AND of the type that looks down on people not having the same level as your 'accredited gold star' you are banned up to, and including, a symmetric 5th degree.  (This means your childrens-childrens-childrens-childrens-children or grandfathers-grandfather-father cannot even apply).

Having a PHD MSEE / BSEE is not a blocking factor in itself, provided you do NOT look down on 'degreeless' peoiple. There is still a good chance we may make something workable out of you, although it is going to take considerable effort to 'undo' the damage done by your 'regular' education... especially if you come from institutions where 'snottyness' is ladled in by the truckload.

PEW's also carry a large responsability in that it is mandatory for them to share their knowledge and extend a helping hand to anyone who asks for it. We do not take ourselfes too seriously and realize that there is many things in electronics we will probably never have a chance to play with. The main goal of a PEW is to have fun at what he is doing (and meanwhile teach some electrons to run where we want them)
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: Mechatrommer on May 28, 2012, 07:07:38 am
if you haven't burnt a finger on a hot transistor by age 6 your chances of making it all the way to the end are greatly diminished.
yea your fav.story. but for me if you havent wrangled by touching live wire at the age of 9, how can you become a ee sparky? :P about the topic, from what i concluded, manufacturer having a hard time keeping up with ever increasing comm.protocol. so the newer standalone LA will become pretty obsolete pretty soon easily. so the best bet for hobbyer is the PC based USB LA. upgradable in SW in term of protocol std. but i maybe wrong. about the salae, it has the cutest interface i've seen so far in low range LA price, but lack of more professional use like LeCroy's LogicStudio, but that LeCroy aint cheap.
Title: Re: Saleae Logic 16 review?
Post by: T4P on May 28, 2012, 10:02:21 am
if you haven't burnt a finger on a hot transistor by age 6 your chances of making it all the way to the end are greatly diminished.
yea your fav.story. but for me if you havent wrangled by touching live wire at the age of 9, how can you become a ee sparky? :P about the topic, from what i concluded, manufacturer having a hard time keeping up with ever increasing comm.protocol. so the newer standalone LA will become pretty obsolete pretty soon easily. so the best bet for hobbyer is the PC based USB LA. upgradable in SW in term of protocol std. but i maybe wrong. about the salae, it has the cutest interface i've seen so far in low range LA price, but lack of more professional use like LeCroy's LogicStudio, but that LeCroy aint cheap.

My best story is that one isn't an sparky without having being shocked by a ... unplugged wire.
A Hot IC can be a nice story but free electron's stories are the best