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16 channel digital probe for HP54645D MSO?
alm:
--- Quote from: dazz1 on August 09, 2023, 10:15:39 pm ---The problem is that I haven't used a LA since 1986 so I am a little out of date. Narrowing down the options to pg 47-50 helps a lot. The table on pg46 only has one dot for 1650 series.
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The information that's relevant to you is what they call 40-pin connectors. 90-pin connectors was something that came in the early 2000's for their high-end logic analyzers. Also anything about Mictor and other PCB connectors is irrelevant for you, because those are only helpful if you're designing your own boards with them in it.
--- Quote from: dazz1 on August 09, 2023, 10:15:39 pm ---I found a HP reference here https://edadocs.software.keysight.com/kkbopen/what-digital-probe-cables-and-accessories-are-available-for-keysight-mixed-signal-oscilloscopes-msos-589743268.html.
It says the 01650-61607 cable was useful but I am not certain if these are all compatible with my HP 54546D scope.
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Search for pictures of either the cable or the end that takes the cable (e.g. HP 1650A/B, 1651A/B, 1652A/B, 1653A/B in the case of 01650-61607, and HP 16510A in the case of the 16510-* cables). It should only have one pod connection (so 16-pins), not two pods as many later cables. And the logic analyzer side should look like an IDE cable (40 pins 0.1"). The pod side always looks like that. If 16510-61602 is compatible, then probably so is 16510-61601 (one is shielded and the other is not shielded). From the pictures it looks like 01650-61607 is shorter, and the 16510 cables seem to have an odd right-angle 40 pin connector, so I'd try to find 01650-61607 if possible.
--- Quote ---I did try plugging in a standard hard drive cable but the connectors have one pin plugged, so that doesn't work. I found a seller nbhightech on e-bay that advertises "Agilent HP 10089A Logic Probe with Flying Leads for 54620C". Sort of a semi DIY solution. I assume the little pcbs have the passive terminator components.
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Not all IDE cables have that pin plugged, and you can remove the pin with a sharp objet. It's generally just press fit. But you might miss on a signal or ground connection, and signal integrity won't be the best without twisting and especially without resistive conductors.
--- Quote from: dazz1 on August 09, 2023, 10:33:04 pm ---I tried that search and got a lot of hits on pods but no pouches. I am unsure whether these pods plug straight into the scope, or if there should be a cable between the scope and the pod. Many listings include references to K,M&N clocks. I don't know if that is something I need to worry about.
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No, you need a cable between the scope and the pod. Ignore the stuff about different clocks, that's only stickers so on logic analyzers with multiple pods you know which pod corresponds to which clock.
As for one with all accessories, see for example this one. Not sure if that's the cheapest price. It might also help to search for HP/Agilent E5383A or 01650-61608. Something like This listing (I have no relation or experience with this seller) might be interesting, since it appears to come with a cable that looks like it might work, although I prefer the latter flat clips to these round clips. You'll have to search for Australian listings on your own, but this might give you an indication on what to search for. Sellers may not always use the correct part numbers since I don't think they are printed on the cables. At least not very obviously. So it might pay to scroll through a bunch of "hp logic analyzer cable" listings.
dazz1:
--- Quote from: alm on August 09, 2023, 11:01:32 pm ---As for one with all accessories, see for example this one. Not sure if that's the cheapest price.
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I found that listing by myself, but I had no idea if would be compatible or complete.
--- Quote from: alm on August 09, 2023, 11:01:32 pm ---It might also help to search for HP/Agilent E5383A or 01650-61608. Something like This listing might be interesting, since it appears to come with a cable that looks like it might work, although I prefer the latter flat clips to these round clips.
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At least it has a pouch :)
--- Quote from: alm ---You'll have to search for Australian listings on your own, but this might give you an indication on what to search for. Sellers may not always use the correct part numbers since I don't think they are printed on the cables. At least not very obviously. So it might pay to scroll through a bunch of "hp logic analyzer cable" listings.
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I turn on World Wide search on e-bay but almost all hits come from the USA.
I will keep looking and following searches. I have no urgent need for anything.
dazz1:
Hi
What about this 01650-61608 :
https://4gte.com/products/hp-agilent-01650-61608-differential-probe-adapter/
Missing the grippers and cable but seems reasonably priced?
Edit:
Looks like 61608 are actually for differential probes. Probably not what I need.
alm:
No, it's not differential. That's an error by 4gte. They didn't have differential pods in the 1650 era. See the 90 pins section of the probing for logic analyzers document for part numbers of differential probes and what they look like.
The clips are standard though finding 20 good quality ones might not be any cheaper than buying a complete set. Make sure you get all leads and at least a couple ground leads.
dazz1:
--- Quote from: alm on August 10, 2023, 07:51:33 am ---No, it's not differential. That's an error by 4gte.
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It seems that error spread because I found a couple of references to differential probes with that part number. That sort of error makes it a lot more difficult for me to identify what I need and whether it will work.
I am learning far more about probes than I ever wanted too.
--- Quote from: alm ---The clips are standard though finding 20 good quality ones might not be any cheaper than buying a complete set. Make sure you get all leads and at least a couple ground leads.
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Shipping anything across the USA border is expensive so it make sense for me to buy a complete set as one package rather than multiple purchases. It also makes sense to maximise $/kg because shipping is a dead cost. For that reason I am better to buy the more expensive GPIB/FFT/Memory module than the cheaper GPIB module. At least that is the excuse I tell my wife. ;)
What would be really useful is a website app that shows what part is compatible with any other part.
I can see that I will just need to be patient.
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