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| thikone:
--- Quote from: BillyO on November 04, 2022, 08:48:33 pm --- --- Quote from: nctnico on November 04, 2022, 08:06:10 pm ---Indeed. And the DSOX2000 series from Keysight is one of the least interesting choices from the A brands. R&S RTB2004 is well worth considering. --- End quote --- The RTB2004 is nicer than the DSOX2000 but still not much competition for that Siglent SDS2000 HD. It can't even compare to the much lower spec'd SDS2000X Plus. --- End quote --- So, spec is better for Siglent SDS2000X HD than for RTB2004. But Rigol MSO5000 is even better, is it not? Yet I see that most people suggest Siglent over Rigol. I want to buy a decent oscilloscope and did some research. Rigol seems to be cheaper spec wise almost every time. But then I started noticing other aspects, like responsivness, ease of use and UI in general. And Rigol is not so great in this area. And for me this is a very important area. Good user interface means less frustration, more joy to use and ultimately I would use it more often, spend more time and do more project. At least it is so with my other hobby - woodworking. It is very tempting to get SDS2000X+ that has 20% discount till end of this year. On the other hand, UI of RTB2004 is so nice and I must admit beautiful internals (for example, trigger implementation is such that it can trigger even on not active channel because there is a separate path from front-end to triggers logic), but not yet hacked. Hack, I even considering to get a loan from bank and buy MXO44 that has even better UI and bigger screen... While I don't need many other qualities of A-brand scopes (long production life, certificates and such), B-brands just don't cut it in this respect. Am I crazy or is there others who think this way? Not that I'm big fan of Apple, but what is equivalent of iPad in oscilloscope world? |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: thikone on November 06, 2022, 12:37:19 am ---Am I crazy or is there others who think this way? Not that I'm big fan of Apple, but what is equivalent of iPad in oscilloscope world? --- End quote --- UI and niceties are very alluring. At work I have been using a larger number of oscilloscopes and the higher end models tend to have much faster processors to handle the UI. Due to the sheer cost of such equipment, however, the purchase decisions will forcefully require compromise. That is what an iPad or iPhone used to give you a few years ago: polish but at the expense of the latest features. At home I drive an advanced Rigol (DS4014, hackable) and its UI is not as polished as the R&S RTA or as smooth as the KS DSOX3014A at work. However, I am convinced everyday of my decision at the time whenever I look at the bang per buck ratio of these two advanced models Hackability is what placed Rigol on the map and I would never be able to afford an equipment at such advanced level for my home. |
| nightfire:
--- Quote from: BillyO on November 04, 2022, 09:20:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Fungus on November 04, 2022, 09:04:53 pm ---But a Fluke 101 is worth every penny if your hobby requires a "safe" meter. :) --- End quote --- That thing can't even measure current. I guess that way they don't even have to put a fuse in it. --- End quote --- This is very probably done intentional. Two reasons to do so: a) Manufacturer saves money on parts that are will not be used like input jacks and precision shunt resistors b) As there is no low-impedance input, there is no possibility for the classic cause of accidents in leaving the test leads on amps and then attempt to probe voltages... Some manufacturers like Hioki actively promote some versions of their multimeters with non-available Amps inputs as a measurement to increase work safety in critical environments. |
| balnazzar:
--- Quote from: thikone on November 06, 2022, 12:37:19 am --- So, spec is better for Siglent SDS2000X HD than for RTB2004. But Rigol MSO5000 is even better, is it not? Yet I see that most people suggest Siglent over Rigol. --- End quote --- Time to start a thread about the MSO5000's noise floor >:D :box: --- Quote from: thikone on November 06, 2022, 12:37:19 am ---Am I crazy or is there others who think this way? Not that I'm big fan of Apple, but what is equivalent of iPad in oscilloscope world? --- End quote --- There is no equivalent of an iPad in the oscilloscope universe. In the tablet universe you pay some 500 bucks for a decent android tablet, and *less* than twice such price for an iPad. When it comes to oscilloscopes, you still pay some 500 bucks for a decent (or almost) scope, but 10X that price for the iPad-ish equivalent (say, the KS 3000T). |
| Hydrawerk:
Any thoughts on GW Instek? It should be probably OK. |
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