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| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: nctnico on January 10, 2022, 12:33:55 am ---Not really. In most western countries you can register a company for free or for very low expenses. Accountants like to portray them as absolutely necessary but in reality they are not. --- End quote --- You keep saying this or something like this, and repeatedly multiple people, some of whom have done it multiple times say that this is not so. Who, on the balance of probabilities, is more likely to have the better grasp on the facts? Presumably you have the facts to hand, including a list of fees for "most western countries"? You couldn't possibly be extrapolating from the one country that you have done this in once? No, surely not. Let's examine that for a handful of countries, for the smallest, simplest limited liability corporation. UK*, £10-£40 on incorporation (depends on route), £13-£40 confirmation fee each year. France, not simple or straightforward, seems to require lawyers, suggested costs €2000 minimum initial cost. Germany, "Company formation fee: the company formation fee for opening a legal entity in Germany is approximately 1,800 euros." Minimum capital of €25,000. Italy, minimum cost in government fees 309.87 EUR each year assuming you're doing all the work yourself. Netherlands, Non-recurring registration fee of € 51.95. Hmm, haven't seen any "free" yet, and my suspicion that one might form a simplistic idea if one was judging the expense and complexity from experience only in the Netherlands seems to be forming up as right. * This is the only one I have done myself. The naked registration fees are misleading as to the true costs and complexity. You can register a company in the UK doing all the work yourself and just paying official registration fees, you also can get into a right mess if you get it wrong and frankly you're a fool if you don't get a company registrations agent to do it for you for a fee that's at most £200. If you register for VAT, which is in itself free, you will have to buy HMRC approved software to make electronic VAT returns, and you will have to make quarterly VAT returns every quarter, even if they are zero, or you will get fined. You will also have to make returns to companies house every year and will get fined if you don't or submit late (the fines are stiff enough that it is a really bad idea to incur them). Keeping up with VAT and annual returns incurs a non-trivial cost in time, even if you don't pay someone else to manage it for you (e.g. accountant). It would be a lot of palaver and risk to acquire just to do business with Keysight. |
| KaneTW:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on January 10, 2022, 01:45:12 am ---Germany, "Company formation fee: the company formation fee for opening a legal entity in Germany is approximately 1,800 euros." Minimum capital of €25,000. --- End quote --- Sorry, but no. Registering as a self-employed person (which grants you a VAT ID) costs nothing or basically nothing. VAT handling isn't difficult as well. Even if you want to have limited liability, you can get by with less than 500 EUR and a minimum capital of 1 EUR to form a UG. The 25k limit is for a GmbH. |
| HighVoltage:
--- Quote from: oz2cpu on January 09, 2022, 09:27:08 pm ---I was 10 sec away from ordering a brand new 34470A today.. saw this thread, but now i put the decision on hold.. please tell me i am wrong ? or what else to get, with same or better specs, thanks.. yes i will be ordering it from Germany --- End quote --- It depends largely on your plan for the 34470A. If you want to have reliable DC absolute comparison with 7 1/2 digits resolution forget the 34470A because of the ACAL problems! For this purpose, the DMM7510 is a much better instrument. On the other hand, if you want reliable low DC current measurements, the 34470A is better than the DMM7510. And the 34465A is recommended every time. This instrument I would buy again and again with no hesitation. It always depends on what you want to do with such instrument. |
| mikeselectricstuff:
--- Quote --- If you register for VAT, which is in itself free, you will have to buy HMRC approved software to make electronic VAT returns, and you will have to make quarterly VAT returns every quarter, even if they are zero, or you will get fined --- End quote --- And there is an additional hidden cost in that most accounting software nowadays is a subscription service. TBH I do wonder if Keysight actually check any of this. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: KaneTW on January 10, 2022, 05:10:50 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on January 10, 2022, 01:45:12 am ---Germany, "Company formation fee: the company formation fee for opening a legal entity in Germany is approximately 1,800 euros." Minimum capital of €25,000. --- End quote --- Sorry, but no. Registering as a self-employed person (which grants you a VAT ID) costs nothing or basically nothing. VAT handling isn't difficult as well. Even if you want to have limited liability, you can get by with less than 500 EUR and a minimum capital of 1 EUR to form a UG. The 25k limit is for a GmbH. --- End quote --- Given the context, what do Keysight want you to be before they will do business with you? "Self-employed" doesn't cut it as far as Keysight are concerned. That's already well established in this thread. Neither does having just a VAT number, all Portuguese have personal VAT numbers and one of them has said that wasn't enough for Keysight. |
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