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Offline jfiresto

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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2022, 06:34:21 am »
Got tired of loosing screws on a fold-up plastic camping table.  Decided to 'Lock-Tight' the metal screws to their corresponding nuts.  Left it overnight in the garage and the next day it lay on the floor in hundreds of pieces.  There was concentric circular cracks 1 to ~6 inches from every bolt with radial cracks about 45degrees around each, so lots of pie slice pieces and large chunks with 6 inch arcs or holes....

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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2022, 06:41:51 am »
Fortunately cheap replacements are easy to come by.  No idea on long-term durability but the one I got seems fine so far.

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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2022, 11:13:22 am »
Many kinds of contaminants can lead to the long term degradation of the material used to make these handles. I worked in the aerospace industry and synthetic turbo engine oil was one of the worst for this. Just a light film from hands on anything plastic, would cause them to become brittle within  a few months.
 
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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2022, 02:05:49 pm »
I never had a brittle handle on the 34401A but I had a few very brittle frames on the back and one front window.
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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2022, 03:56:08 pm »
There are lots of polymer resistance charts online if you need to check whether any particular substances are likely to be problematic.

Doesn't cover every case, though. I had an issue with polyurethane products rotting at a turkey farm a while back. Was traced to the ammonia compounds released from the manure. That wasn't on the list.
 
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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2022, 08:49:33 pm »
Many kinds of contaminants can lead to the long term degradation of the material used to make these handles. I worked in the aerospace industry and synthetic turbo engine oil was one of the worst for this. Just a light film from hands on anything plastic, would cause them to become brittle within  a few months.

Wow that's not one that would have occurred to me. I wonder if synthetic automotive oil does the same? I'm going to have to be more careful.
 

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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2025, 08:20:27 am »
Article about ABS plastic degradation & whitening (Retr0bright recipe)
https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-Retrobright-Mystery.pdf

Same article in attachment
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Re: ABS plastic degradation (brittle) - HP34401A (circa 1992)
« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2025, 08:09:32 pm »
normally you need glue who will fuse the parts,  no opxy or hard glue will work, 

partial success with some crazy glue and some with  loctite tak pak,   but loctite has one glue type for plastic i think ... because the others may or wil degrade the plastic over time

i had this problem  on  many old crt monitors  and some moulded plastics like the old Sencore lc102 rear case who seems a pressed / molded part, not an injected one,  they yellowish overtime and get brittle 

was lucky on my 34401 ...  but @OP cold be lucky to find theses handle not too high priced, unless mistaken   you had the light gray  and  the following models  like 34410a 34411a  had a slightly darker one i think
 


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