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| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: joeqsmith on April 15, 2024, 02:40:59 pm ---How long have you owned the SDS2504X+? I would say I am gentle, but I guess some equate to how fast I was turning the knob to using an electric drill. I'm not apposed to buying another low cost product from Siglent to try it out. My only concern is if it does have similar problems, their higher end products may behave completely different. I had asked if their higher end Arbs would have the same problem. I don't think I ever got an answer. --- End quote --- I've had the SDS2504X+ over 3 years, as it's out of warranty now. I've never had any problems with it. Things that annoy me: 1. I don't like confirmation dialogs, the confirmations should be optional (in settings) but for both Auto set and Default, you have to either multi-hit the button, or click the confirmation. Not terrible, but annoying to me. 2. Until the last firmware update (which needs to be rereleased) there was a persistent confirmation after screenshots that needed to be clicked away (it's corrected / option in fw 1.6.2+). 3. I want to be able to change the trace color for XY mode, but it's currently stuck on an annoying blue, that at the very least, should be a brighter hue. 4. A common problem with Siglent Bode plot (nit picking) the Bode plot system is completely separate from the main system, so it's a little weird going back and forth and there's some options I wish that were persistent. Not a big deal, the Bode plots are great, but some minor improvements would be nice. I've owned the SDG2122X for longer than that, and I never had issues with that either. The rotary on the SDG does not feel as nice as the rotaries on the scope, but it has never failed me either. Full disclosure though, I use that specific SDG rotary less than I use the numeric keypad and other buttons. My guess would be that your issue is more likely QC than anything else. Thousands of parts go out, some of them suck. But like I said, it doesn't feel as nice as the scope rotaries. I agree with you, getting a lower end scope probably doesn't give you a good comparison of the hardware; I don't know if they use the same encoders or not, but I assume not until somebody says otherwise. I think you should contact Siglent for a loaner so you can properly put it through its paces. Or ask if you can purchase it with an extended return period (60 or 90 days?) so you can properly test it, review it, and decide if you want to keep it. Getting the 800 series stuff would probably still be fun, but I don't think it's remotely close to a taste of the 7000 series. I have absolutely no need for another scope, but I still had to stop myself from ordering the 800 a couple times. Stupid TEAS. 🙄 Thanks, Josh |
| joeqsmith:
--- Quote from: temperance on April 15, 2024, 06:11:30 pm ---The encoders on my SDG2042 X "works". It does not register all clicks but it does not jump back and forth. --- End quote --- I could live with the skips but that back and forth makes it unusable. Talking with others, if it is a bad encoder out of the box tells me they don't test them. Worse, they had a several get out with bad encoders as it seems like a common problem. Enough so that they made changes to the firmware to attempt to address it. I have a HP33120A that I bought new when it was first introduced. So far the encoder is flawless. Same for my Marconi 2024 and my Tektronix (Sony) arb. All of my scopes are also very old and the encoders on the two newer LeCroys have not had any problem. All of that equipment is 20 years old, or older. My first LeCroy DSO behaves similar to the Siglent arb where some of the encoders on the chassis (mainframe system) are jumping back and forth. Consider that scope is another 10 years old and was used by the USAF. After so many years of service, I expect problems but that Siglent was a problem brand new out of the box. Good to hear their scopes don't appear to have this problem. Again, I am not apposed to looking at another Siglent product but $20k seems like a high risk. |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: joeqsmith on April 15, 2024, 06:49:55 pm ---Good to hear their scopes don't appear to have this problem. Again, I am not apposed to looking at another Siglent product but $20k seems like a high risk. --- End quote --- Buying a new scope is certainly a risk, but for what it does, it's a fraction of the cost risk as other brands. Only you know what you actually need. If you think a 2000 HD or 3000 HD would be sufficient, then go that way for much less money. Or try out that new scope from Batronix when it's available. 😉 |
| joeqsmith:
--- Quote from: KungFuJosh on April 15, 2024, 06:48:08 pm ---... I think you should contact Siglent for a loaner so you can properly put it through its paces. Or ask if you can purchase it with an extended return period (60 or 90 days?) so you can properly test it, review it, and decide if you want to keep it. Getting the 800 series stuff would probably still be fun, but I don't think it's remotely close to a taste of the 7000 series. I have absolutely no need for another scope,... --- End quote --- The 800 is cheap enough, I wouldn't worry about getting a loaner or returns. The 7000 is a different story. Even if I had more confidence in the brand, it's enough cash I would want to take for a test drive. It's a bit overkill though for my general use. For the most part, I like that old WaveBlunder but it is no longer reliable. |
| KungFuJosh:
--- Quote from: joeqsmith on April 15, 2024, 07:09:00 pm ---The 800 is cheap enough, I wouldn't worry about getting a loaner or returns. The 7000 is a different story. Even if I had more confidence in the brand, it's enough cash I would want to take for a test drive. It's a bit overkill though for my general use. For the most part, I like that old WaveBlunder but it is no longer reliable. --- End quote --- The 800 is good for some stuff, but it's max 200MHz, lower specs, less triggers, etc. You could probably get a loaner for even the 2000 or 3000 stuff (eventually). If you need 1GHz, 3000 series is your starting place. |
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