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| nctnico:
Have you had any luck trying to get the price down for a business purchase? I have not. In my experience list prices are pretty firm. Ofcourse you might get a good deal during a promotion, on a demo / older unit but other than that, list price it is. |
| madires:
--- Quote from: temperance on April 15, 2024, 06:11:30 pm ---Keysight 33210A arb: encoder doesn't work properly after five years and again they are some custom thing made by I think Bourns. Replacement encoder price: astronomical (I don't remember exactly but it was around €180 for two lousy plastic encoder.) --- End quote --- And some people think optical encoders are expensive. This begs the question: Why aren't optical encoders chosen for the most frequently used knobs, at least for professional T&M devices? |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 18, 2024, 10:49:10 am ---Have you had any luck trying to get the price down for a business purchase? I have not. In my experience list prices are pretty firm. Ofcourse you might get a good deal during a promotion, on a demo / older unit but other than that, list price it is. --- End quote --- Somehow a a "refurbished" unit turns up always. Not for the cheap stuff usually. |
| Martin72:
--- Quote ---Honestly, why would they care about the low end market? They can sell an active probe with more profit on it than a DSOX1000 or 2000 scope, and people will buy those in pairs. Some high end several GHz ones will turn more profit than a dozen scope. --- End quote --- If they could only rely on the sale of these "rocket science scopes" in the 6-digit range, they wouldn't have the others. And that's what it's all about, their price/performance ratio. "Back then" you had no choice but to buy an expensive scope, no matter what you wanted to do with it, no matter how complex the task. Now things are different and the question is whether you want to leave this "low-end" market to the others in the hope that enough expensive products can continue to be sold or not. I don't know their economics to say they don't care about this market. Teledyne Lecroy, on the other hand, has made it very easy for themselves with the sparsely masked Siglent products in their range. But then I might as well buy the original. The so-called "low end" market is nowadays dominated by brands such as Rigol and Siglent, which is already "gone". But at least Siglent didn't stop there and with the 3000X HD and 6000A/Pro at the latest, they have models that can be placed in the mid-range market in terms of features and performance. And yet both are still significantly cheaper than other brands in the sector and that would "worry" me as the top dog. In addition, Siglent has made a start and secured a place in the upper house with the 7000A. 3Ghz, PC platform and for just under 20000€.... |
| pdenisowski:
--- Quote from: nctnico on April 18, 2024, 10:25:25 am ---The price of test equipment is not in the hardware, it is in the engineering and support. --- End quote --- Generally speaking, this is very true. The higher you go (in frequency, performance, etc.) the great the impact of component cost. You also have to factor in manufacturing / assembly cost. I worked with one particular product (not a scope) that a competitor of ours tried to copy. After producing a few prototypes, they gave up when they realized that the real trick was the manufacturing process, not the parts themselves :) --- Quote from: nctnico on April 18, 2024, 10:25:25 am ---All major test equipment manufacturers are producing in low wage countries. --- End quote --- Yes, but not exclusively. We (R&S) still do quite a bit of manufacturing in Germany - touring our facilities is one of my favorite side-trips when I'm in Germany. https://www.rohde-schwarz.com/us/career/professionals/manufacturing_253344.html |
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