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At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« on: March 15, 2018, 06:16:22 pm »
or a bit of You Tube of it at least..

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2018, 07:59:21 pm »
Great work finding this Pete.  :-+
This 500 MHz unit will be a mid BW model in this new SDS5000X range I strongly suspect.

WRT comments on AWG, Siglent may be choosing to use the external SAG1021 module as they do for the SDS10004X-E series. That unit is USB powered and controlled in the scope UI.
https://www.siglentamerica.com/accessory/sag1021/

The front panel rectangular socket looks identical to that on the SDS2kX models and it's the MSO/LA pod receptacle.
The SDS2kX uses SPL2016 LA HW:
https://siglentna-qwavztc8hvq2w.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/PARTS-LIST_SPL2016.pdf

The vid maker obviously isn't aware of Siglent's longstanding participation with LeCroy and their joint venture of the WS/SDS3000 series that each have rights for in Western/Eastern markets respectively.
These 3000 models have been around for some years now and offered BW's to 1GHz.

Release info:
https://www.siglentamerica.com/digital-oscilloscopes/sds5000x/
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 08:12:36 pm »
they either learned a lot from lecroy or this is going to be a rebadged by lecroy as well.
perhaps with adequate horsepower for today ::)

look at the probus-style BNCs and the user interface!

genuinely curious :)
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 08:21:01 pm »
they either learned a lot from lecroy or this is going to be a rebadge as well.
Sorry for your misunderstanding but no Siglents are rebadges !
They make all their own HW !

These SDS5kX models have been under development for at least a couple of years that I'm aware of.  :-X
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2018, 08:22:42 pm »
Sorry for your misunderstanding but no Siglents are rebadges !

aah i meant it the other way around!!! that maybe lecroy's going to rebadge it!

These SDS5kX models have been under development for at least a couple of years that I'm aware of.  :-X

And i appreciated what i've seen in this very brief video
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2018, 09:01:54 pm »
they either learned a lot from lecroy or this is going to be a rebadged by lecroy as well.
perhaps with adequate horsepower for today ::)

look at the probus-style BNCs and the user interface!
The probe interface looks just like Lecroy's interface so I guess it will say Lecroy on the badge and probably have made-by-Lecroy firmware outside China. Then again the Lecroy version is likely to lack peak-detect so not interested.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2018, 01:18:37 am »
they either learned a lot from lecroy or this is going to be a rebadged by lecroy as well.
perhaps with adequate horsepower for today ::)

look at the probus-style BNCs and the user interface!
The probe interface looks just like Lecroy's interface so I guess it will say Lecroy on the badge and probably have made-by-Lecroy firmware outside China. Then again the Lecroy version is likely to lack peak-detect so not interested.
:-//
The vid was from a European trade show, not one in Asia and that indicates it will be a Siglent product for all markets.
Word direct from the factory:
New SDS5000X will have Peak Detect mode !
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2018, 08:18:27 am »
:-//
The vid was from a European trade show, not one in Asia and that indicates it will be a Siglent product for all markets.
Word direct from the factory:
New SDS5000X will have Peak Detect mode !

That is interesting.. I have a confirmation by LeCroy that "refresh of 3000 series" (whatever that means) will be released soon...
Fact that Siglent will release SDS5000X into western markets is interesting.. :popcorn:
 
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2018, 09:09:54 am »
:-//
The vid was from a European trade show, not one in Asia and that indicates it will be a Siglent product for all markets.
Word direct from the factory:
New SDS5000X will have Peak Detect mode !

That is interesting.. I have a confirmation by LeCroy that "refresh of 3000 series" (whatever that means) will be released soon...
Have a good look through the vid for any sign of a mention of LeCroy in the GUI....there isn't.
Unlike the WS/SDS3000 models.
It's a Siglent product and entirely theirs to market as they wish.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2018, 09:45:52 am »
Have a good look through the vid for any sign of a mention of LeCroy in the GUI....there isn't.
Unlike the WS/SDS3000 models.
It's a Siglent product and entirely theirs to market as they wish.

I didn't say it was... Quite the opposite, i think Siglent pulled "the rigol" on LeCroy...
Anyways, seems like interesting product. I hope price will be right, and that it will be well supported and reasonably bug free..
 
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2018, 08:40:10 am »
The four BNC connectors on the rear interest me, I wonder if they finally added a 10MHz reference input?

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2018, 06:13:43 pm »
Hello, pics I took at embedded world, the scope will come this year in EU probably immediately before or after the SVA1005X.
It has the same touch screen of the SVA1005X.
it will have most probably 250Mpts of memory, for sure 8bit vertical resolution.
As soon as it will be available in EU we will have it for a test and in stock.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2018, 06:17:37 pm »
:-//
The vid was from a European trade show, not one in Asia and that indicates it will be a Siglent product for all markets.
Word direct from the factory:
New SDS5000X will have Peak Detect mode !

That is interesting.. I have a confirmation by LeCroy that "refresh of 3000 series" (whatever that means) will be released soon...
Fact that Siglent will release SDS5000X into western markets is interesting.. :popcorn:
Do not expect nothing exciting by the LeCroy WS3000
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2018, 07:35:09 pm »
Have a good look through the vid for any sign of a mention of LeCroy in the GUI....there isn't.
Unlike the WS/SDS3000 models.
It's a Siglent product and entirely theirs to market as they wish.

I didn't say it was... Quite the opposite, i think Siglent pulled "the rigol" on LeCroy...
Anyways, seems like interesting product. I hope price will be right, and that it will be well supported and reasonably bug free..
The biggest question is: who is going to buy it given Siglent's track record of releasing buggy equipment?
I estimate the price will be in the $2000 to $5000 range (above the SDS2000X series) and in that price bracket the hobbyists are spread thin. Companies will require a product which works right straight out of the box the minute it arrives. Waiting for 2 years for Siglent to fix the bugs is not an option. So I really wonder who is going to buy this scope.

Also it won't help to make the A-brands lower their prices because the A-brands don't seem to consider Siglent as a competitor at any level. Keysight, Tektronix and Rhode & Schwarz compare their products against eachother, GW Instek, Lecroy and Rigol but Siglent is nowhere to be found.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2018, 08:31:29 pm »
:-//
The vid was from a European trade show, not one in Asia and that indicates it will be a Siglent product for all markets.
Word direct from the factory:
New SDS5000X will have Peak Detect mode !

That is interesting.. I have a confirmation by LeCroy that "refresh of 3000 series" (whatever that means) will be released soon...
Fact that Siglent will release SDS5000X into western markets is interesting.. :popcorn:
Do not expect nothing exciting by the LeCroy WS3000

Sadly, I don't... I don't expect anything really new from Keysight either...
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2018, 05:27:12 pm »
As the guy who committed the crime, I just wanted to report in. Sorry for being so silent, but I am overworked as fuck.
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2018, 07:17:52 am »
As the guy who committed the crime, I just wanted to report in.
Thanks.  :-+

We all knew very little of SDS5000X models before your vid so thanks for that.
Did you find out the amount of memory depth ?
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2018, 07:22:31 am »
The biggest question is: who is going to buy it given Siglent's track record of releasing buggy equipment?
I estimate the price will be in the $2000 to $5000 range (above the SDS2000X series) and in that price bracket the hobbyists are spread thin. Companies will require a product which works right straight out of the box the minute it arrives. Waiting for 2 years for Siglent to fix the bugs is not an option. So I really wonder who is going to buy this scope.

Also it won't help to make the A-brands lower their prices because the A-brands don't seem to consider Siglent as a competitor at any level. Keysight, Tektronix and Rhode & Schwarz compare their products against eachother, GW Instek, Lecroy and Rigol but Siglent is nowhere to be found.
My current hesitation to buy into Siglent equipment is mostly based on the fact that I don't know what to expect from them, and less on the merits of the actual equipment itself. Support in the long run is everything.
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2018, 07:38:15 am »
As the guy who committed the crime, I just wanted to report in.
Thanks.  :-+

We all knew very little of SDS5000X models before your vid so thanks for that.
Did you find out the amount of memory depth ?
Hello, it is 250Mpts
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2018, 04:25:18 pm »
I think it’s quite obvious what this is going to be: an SDS2kX combined with the new system architecture and additional user interface elements of the SDS1204X-E plus some further improvements like the 10.1” capacitive touch screen, enhanced probe interface, reference clock in/out and external monitor support.

Compared to a SDS1204X-E the SDS5kX has 5 times the sample rate, thus enabling 5 times the bandwidth for the top model and it has almost 18 times the sample memory, hence can capture up to 50ms at max. sample rate.

I guess this is going to be a pretty interesting product once again.
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2018, 10:31:26 am »
Info on these new SDS5000X DSO's has just appeared on the Chinese website.
There'll be 2 and 4 channel variants with BW's of 350, 500 MHz and 1 GHz.
MSO capability will be with the SPL2016 16ch probe set used on SDS2000X models.



Rear connectivity:


Looking forward to getting my hands on one.  :)
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2018, 10:51:15 am »
So,
ballpark price?
options, beside the usual?
probe interface compatible with probus?
 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2018, 11:01:46 am »
So,
ballpark price?
options, beside the usual?
probe interface compatible with probus?
As yet we can only guess what western pricing will be but 86,880 Yuan is stated for the 4ch 1GHz model with the 350 MHz 4ch model ~1/2 that.
As I surmised the AWG will be the SAG1021 25 MHz USB module used on the SDS1004X-E models.

Until I sit down and translate it all the rest is unknown excepting what you can wean from the Chinese datasheet:
http://www.siglent.com/Chinese_website2014/Datasheet/SDS5000X_Datasheet_DS0105X_C01A.pdf
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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2018, 11:09:07 am »
The DSO is nice and hopefully a nice price too   :clap: 

but why oh why did they not put the inputs directly below each channel control strip

and shift the USB, CAL and rectangular black thingie to the other side   :-//

At least they didn't do the -shared controls- thing, now THAT would be a b*mmer

All that aside, it looks the business   :-+

 

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Re: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO...
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2018, 11:09:38 am »
Siglent's new probe interface is not ProBus (LeCroy).
 


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