Author Topic: At last, Siglent's SDS5054X touchscreen DSO... (Read 102265 times)

nctnico · « **Reply #150 on:** April 08, 2019, 04:46:41 pm »

Quote from: 2N3055 on April 08, 2019, 04:42:32 pm

Quote from: nctnico on April 08, 2019, 04:08:08 pm
Did anyone do a really in-depth review / testing yet?
Not that I know of.
I would like to compare it to MSOX3104T but I'm not prepared to buy one just for that.. It would be interesting to see how it compares in real life scenarios.. I really like the general concept..

Same here. For me the big IF is wether the product developers at Siglent got their heads wrapped around decoding the entire acquisition and not just what is on screen.

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #151 on:** April 08, 2019, 05:24:58 pm »

I wonder how the 5000X line is actually selling at this price tag. No matter if it's a good price for its capabilities or not: company customers will stick to major brands at that ("invest" range) price tag and for hobby users it's typically above what one could justify for "now and then" use. I guess it would sell a bit better if the 350MHz version could be upgraded to 1GHz. Then some people might take the risk hoping it will get hacked to 1GHz.

2N3055 · « **Reply #152 on:** April 08, 2019, 05:59:22 pm »

Quote from: 0xdeadbeef on April 08, 2019, 05:24:58 pm

I wonder how the 5000X line is actually selling at this price tag. No matter if it's a good price for its capabilities or not: company customers will stick to major brands at that ("invest" range) price tag and for hobby users it's typically above what one could justify for "now and then" use. I guess it would sell a bit better if the 350MHz version could be upgraded to 1GHz. Then some people might take the risk hoping it will get hacked to 1GHz.

It needs few good reviews and some time.. Price difference compared to RTM3000 or MSOX3000T is still two for one. At first people will buy one A brand and a few Siglents, until they get confident it works.. They are already doing this with Rigols .. And for general purpose 350 MHz is more than plenty..

Martin72 · « **Reply #153 on:** April 08, 2019, 08:12:37 pm »

On the batronix website there is one review about:

https://www.batronix.com/versand/oszilloskope/Siglent-SDS5034X.html#yoReviews

( in german )

Aidanator7000 · « **Reply #154 on:** April 09, 2019, 12:01:17 am »

Here is some footage

JPortici · « **Reply #155 on:** April 09, 2019, 07:11:49 am »

Quote from: 0xdeadbeef on April 08, 2019, 05:24:58 pm

I wonder how the 5000X line is actually selling at this price tag. No matter if it's a good price for its capabilities or not: company customers will stick to major brands at that ("invest" range) price tag and for hobby users it's typically above what one could justify for "now and then" use. I guess it would sell a bit better if the 350MHz version could be upgraded to 1GHz. Then some people might take the risk hoping it will get hacked to 1GHz.

I am sure it's selling and it's selling because people at workplaces have tested it. All the features WORK and work as intended. I haven't managed to crash mine yet during normal use

tv84 · « **Reply #156 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:00:35 pm »

A few teardown pics.

tv84 · « **Reply #157 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:04:14 pm »

pack 2

tv84 · « **Reply #158 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:05:46 pm »

pack 3

tv84 · « **Reply #159 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:07:01 pm »

pack 4

tv84 · « **Reply #160 on:** April 29, 2019, 03:08:04 pm »

pack final

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #161 on:** April 29, 2019, 04:08:19 pm »

So hacking begins now

?

Side note: I notice 5 (partly capacitive) trimmers in the frontend for each channel, even with a placement option for a 6th. Is this still state of the art? I faintly recall the MSO5000 doesn't have any trimmers at all and the calibration etc. is supposed to be stored in some NVRAM.

dermeister · « **Reply #162 on:** April 29, 2019, 04:30:36 pm »

I'm thinking of buying this scope, can anyone of the owners chime in about how they like it so far? I'm particularly interested in UI responsiveness and if it is usable in its current state and not riddled with show stopping bugs.

tv84 · « **Reply #163 on:** April 29, 2019, 04:32:25 pm »

They have a SPI flash where the info about calibration, ADC config and license config is stored.

The Debug menu allows access to cal deletion, board temps, HW version, etc.

thm_w · « **Reply #164 on:** April 29, 2019, 08:43:05 pm »

Seven relays on each channel, 500pc quantity they are about $2.40 So we are talking $67 in relays alone! No wonder its not cheap.

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron-Electronics/G6K-2G-Y-DC5

tautech · « **Reply #165 on:** April 29, 2019, 08:54:43 pm »

Quote from: thm_w on April 29, 2019, 08:43:05 pm

Seven relays on each channel, 500pc quantity they are about $2.40 So we are talking $67 in relays alone!

10,000 or 100,000 quantities pricing ?

There are relays in other Siglent equipment.

nctnico · « **Reply #166 on:** April 29, 2019, 08:56:15 pm »

@tv84: are the BNCs bolted to the chassis or not?

JPortici · « **Reply #167 on:** April 29, 2019, 09:01:43 pm »

Quote from: dermeister on April 29, 2019, 04:30:36 pm

I'm thinking of buying this scope, can anyone of the owners chime in about how they like it so far? I'm particularly interested in UI responsiveness and if it is usable in its current state and not riddled with show stopping bugs.

UI is always responsive. The trace will take some time to update during high memory captures at low time/div, or when doing FFT at 2MPts at some time/div settings, but that's to be expected because it phisically takes some time to acquire the waveform.

Make sure you get the latest firmware (rf-loop has posted in the past a picture of the latest available release. i don't know the version that is shipped with units but mine came with an earlier version that lacked histograms,dvm and was prone to crash. I haven't been able to crash the scope a single time with the latest firmware)

To me trigger is solid, the functionality is there and most of the fixes i'd like to see are cosmetic like new touch screen actions.

I can make a small video if you want to see something in particular

JPortici · « **Reply #168 on:** April 29, 2019, 09:03:33 pm »

BNCs are not bolted. it may have something to do with the active probe interface..

Mr Nutts · « **Reply #169 on:** April 29, 2019, 09:37:05 pm »

Quote from: JPortici on April 29, 2019, 09:03:33 pm

BNCs are not bolted. it may have something to do with the active probe interface..

As far as I know my Agilent DSO8064 has bolted BNCs despite the active probe interface, they just put the board that has the interface contacts in front of the bolted connector

I think I'd rather see bolted connectors on such an expensive scope

tv84 · « **Reply #170 on:** April 29, 2019, 09:42:31 pm »

Quote from: nctnico on April 29, 2019, 08:56:15 pm

@tv84: are the BNCs bolted to the chassis or not?

"By your command!"

nctnico · « **Reply #171 on:** April 29, 2019, 09:50:19 pm »

Looks good! It may sound minor but since the BNC input connectors on an oscilloscope see a lot of abuse it is better the chassis takes the mechanical stress than the PCB.

JPortici · « **Reply #172 on:** April 29, 2019, 09:51:38 pm »

Ah nice

I haven't removed the front panel, i assumed that they weren't

tautech · « **Reply #173 on:** April 29, 2019, 10:04:40 pm »

Quote from: JPortici on April 29, 2019, 09:51:38 pm

Ah nice I haven't removed the front panel, i assumed that they weren't

If they weren't it would have been a major departure from Siglent's normal chassis to PCB layout.

I think the industry has well learnt the lesson from the days of Tek TDS210/220 were it was common for the unsecured input BNC's to break off the PCB.

tautech · « **Reply #174 on:** April 29, 2019, 10:24:39 pm »

Quote from: tv84 on April 29, 2019, 04:32:25 pm

They have a SPI flash where the info about calibration, ADC config and license config is stored.

The Debug menu allows access to cal deletion, board temps, HW version, etc.

Yours or one on loan ?


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