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Best Scope Under US$1000
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tautech on September 17, 2022, 08:59:38 am ---Dunno about Dave and others but IMO tablets need be in their own class just as HH portables.
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No. There is absolutely no reason to do that. So far only MicSig and Tektronix have produced tablet form factor oscilloscopes but besides the form factor, these offer exactly the same features as oscilloscopes in a bigger casing. Putting tablet form factor scopes into a seperate class is nonsense. The only real difference is the amount of air inside the casing.
2N3055:
Just my comment:
this discussion is getting too elaborate.
There is inherent problem with saying scopes under 5000USD, for instance.
What does that mean? By opinion of some here that should include actually making list for 100-300, a list for 300-500, a list for 500-750, a list 750-1000 .... etc. You get my drift.
Dave cannot do that. That is too much work for lots of repetitive data.
Scopes under 1000USD means maybe one scope that seems to have best BW/capability/quality mix and a second place one that is almost as good, and maybe few notable mentions like a form factor that is interesting to some, a best analog performance, a best decode scope etc.
Making comprehensive market analysis is not a topic here, I think. Just my 5 cents.
balnazzar:
I'm in the same boat. My current situation is the following.
I bought a 320 eur Hantek DSO15 (with AWG). It was a toy. Sluggish, buggy software, extremely slow. The AWG can't even do a sweep.
Returned, and uderstood that you have to open your wallet a bit more if you want something workable.
Bought in a hurry an Owon HDS242s handheld as a temporary solution (and a spare handheld will be useful in a lot of occasions). It turned out to be fast, well-built, and way better than the Hantek, despite being 2X cheaper (169 eur). Of course it cannot replace a good becnhtop, but it's not meant to.
Now, the options in my opinion are the following:
1. The MSO5000.
9" display. Great bargain with all the options bundled for under 1000 bucks. Just the 2-ch awg is worth ~350 bucks. It has HDMI.
Cons: noisy fan, dim display. Sluggish touchscreen. But more than anything else, it's noisy.
2. The SDS1104X-E. Good front-end. Can do Bodes. Half the price of the MSO5000 and just 100 bucks more than the much worse X-U.
Cons: small 7" display, neither awg nor all the other good stuff that come with the MSO5000. No hdmi. The fan is also a bit noisy.
3. The Micsig STO1004. Very good, responsive UI. The owners talk enthusiastically about it. HDMI. Battery powered. Well built. Can be had for 650 eur in EU.
Cons: small-ish, reflective 8" display with large bezels. I have no idea about its fan noise. Absence of proper knobs. Can't do Bodes.
4. The Analog Discovery 2. Many instruments in one (including a nwtwork analyzer! It can also do Bode plots..) for just 400 eur. Very good software. Differential probing (yes!) up to 25V.
Cons: No screen. No knobs. Limited bandwidth.
5. The SDS2000X plus. Large 10" screen, good frontend, responsive UI.
Cons: out of your budget by a large measure (it goes for ~1500). More importantly, it's out of my budget too. Nothing included (in particular, no awg).
Try not to buy 2chs scopes, you'll miss the other 2 channels.
Note: among the things that I find most annoying..:
A. They put shitty fans on 1000$ scopes just to save some 10 bucks.
B. The same stands for the displays, more or less. A 100$ android tablet has a better display.
C. Absence of a VESA mount, even for the Micsig. That literally leaves me flabbergasted.
pcprogrammer:
--- Quote from: nctnico on September 17, 2022, 10:53:19 am ---
--- Quote from: tautech on September 17, 2022, 08:59:38 am ---Dunno about Dave and others but IMO tablets need be in their own class just as HH portables.
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No. There is absolutely no reason to do that. So far only MicSig and Tektronix have produced tablet form factor oscilloscopes but besides the form factor, these offer exactly the same features as oscilloscopes in a bigger casing. Putting tablet form factor scopes into a seperate class is nonsense. The only real difference is the amount of air inside the casing.
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You forgot about the FNIRSI 1013D, which is also a tablet :-DD
petrinch:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on September 17, 2022, 11:05:55 am ---Just my comment:
this discussion is getting too elaborate.
There is inherent problem with saying scopes under 5000USD, for instance.
What does that mean? By opinion of some here that should include actually making list for 100-300, a list for 300-500, a list for 500-750, a list 750-1000 .... etc. You get my drift.
Dave cannot do that. That is too much work for lots of repetitive data.
Scopes under 1000USD means maybe one scope that seems to have best BW/capability/quality mix and a second place one that is almost as good, and maybe few notable mentions like a form factor that is interesting to some, a best analog performance, a best decode scope etc.
Making comprehensive market analysis is not a topic here, I think. Just my 5 cents.
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Agreed, comprehensive market analysis would be pointless — but then no one has argued for that.
The issue is whether or not it makes sense to pick a single, arbitrary price range — $1 to $1000 — as the basis for comparison. Based on the discussion so far, that just seems silly. The use-cases for scopes — and the corresponding value of this or that feature — simply vary too much.
I prefer comparing scopes in different use categories along the lines of your “honorable mention” ideas — form factor, bandwidth, analog performance, decode performance, etc — the kinds of “what-do-you-need-this-for” issues that experienced hands in this forum always encourage people to think carefully about before making any purchase.
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