Brymen 257/Greenlee 510A vs Klein MM6000 Photos Added

[nolefan]

noelfan, thank you for posting. I would indeed be interested in seeing the board on the MM6000 as well. I came within a hairs breadth of buying it. If not for the Greenlee being reduced so much in price I would have. I have always felt the mid range meters were typically neither fish nor fowl. Either wait for a deal like the 6000 seems to be these days or buck up and buy Fluke, Agilent, or similar. The only exception seemed to be the Brymen models and the Greenlee deal made it an easy choice. Who knows? When you get meter fever a MM6000 may show up in the stable as well.

noelfan, thank you for posting. I would indeed be interested in seeing the board on the MM6000 as well. I came within a hairs breadth of buying it. If not for the Greenlee being reduced so much in price I would have. I have always felt the mid range meters were typically neither fish nor fowl. Either wait for a deal like the 6000 seems to be these days or buck up and buy Fluke, Agilent, or similar. The only exception seemed to be the Brymen models and the Greenlee deal made it an easy choice. Who knows? When you get meter fever a MM6000 may show up in the stable as well.

I agree, I too have seen the impressive Bryman meters, they just are not available in the US that I have found. I understand that the Greenlee is a rebranded Bryman. Therefore, you made a good choice. I was just answering your question about the Klein Meters. They all seem to have great reviews and are very tough. 3 meter drops. For field use .5% DC accuracy meters are plenty good. I am mostly in the electronics field and often need a bit more precision for testing batteries and power supplies. I was looking in the $100 range and happened on this $90 meter with free shipping on Amazon. Else, I might have bought the Klein mm2000, there were a couple in the test I liked also, UEI and a Uni-t 61.

I have read that Finest Instruments in S. Korea make the circuit boards for Klein Tools brand meters. 

I hope eevblog will do a detailed test on this meter soon.

[nolefan]

Klein Tools pics.

I was not able to figure out how to remove the switch without breaking it. Mabe someone can advise.

[EEVblog]

The Klein MM6000 is indeed made in the USA.

[EEVblog]

I have read that Finest Instruments in S. Korea make the circuit boards for Klein Tools brand meters. 

Yes, Finest do contract design and make a lot of stuff for Klein. But the Made in USA models are actually made in the USA. I don't know about the bare board for example, but contract assembly is certainly done in the USA for those meters.
Some Klein modes are also designed in the USA as well, I know the designer they hired to do it.

[Wytnucls]

Very good price from Amazon. They usually sell for about $180.00.
Made in USA, with 5 year warranty. Can't go wrong.

[nolefan]

A few more pics.

[Satch]

Here are some photos of the Greenlee. I apologise for the crummy camera work.  I wish I were better at it.

[Wytnucls]

The MM6000 doesn't comply with the latest IEC recommendations, which will eventually be enforced in the US (Jan2018). Overload protection for a CAT III 1000V meter should be 1000Vrms, not 600Vrms.
That may explain the low price at the moment, as a way of getting rid of old stocks.

[BMack]

Just wanted to say that I have just received my Klein Tools mm6000 for $90 USD.

Before I say how it performs let me say why I bought it.

For 35 yrs I have used very good Fluke meters on the job. I have nothing negative to say about fluke. Fluke is like the Mercedes Benz of DMMs. Very nice, very well made and last a long time. However, they are very expensive. I have never owned one myself just radio shack meters. While the radio shack meter got me in the ball park and lasted me 20 yrs, I needed more. Working on appliances, air conditioners ect. I found I needed a capacitor checker for run caps. The temp function is also very nice. So I began to research good affordable meters around $100 range. After watching the $100 shootout I learned alot. I liked what I saw in the klein meter. Home Depot in the US sells them. However, I found the mm6000 for $90. Now this meter has a .2% DC accuracy. WOW! A meter that performs like a Fluke in both accuracy and durability. So I ordered it. After testing it against a certified, recently calibrated Fluke 87 lll with   higher resilution and a Agilent 6 digit display meter. In DC it was exactly the same reading as the Fluke and Agilent. AC was also on the money. I measured resistance and they matched exactly. Freq. Was also dead on.

With that said, for a low cost meter I have no regrets!  Find a bargain price and buy it.

I have a Klein CL700 clamp meter and as anyone would expect I toyed with it quite a bit after I bought it...I was extremely impressed with nearly everything, it's quite accurate and has a lot of features. Continuity could be quicker but the screen updates quicker than I was expecting.

[nolefan]

Just one other thing I have noticed vs the Fluke 87v and 27 is that when checking capacitors the flukes take a while to give a reading or none at all, the MM6000 reads them in 1 sec or less. Thinking something was wrong with the flukes I grabbed two different ones and got the same thing.

[nolefan]

The MM6000 out performs the Flukes in capacitor mode, Go figure!

[Satch]

Nolefan, who knows?  Òne of those MM6000  meters may head my way as well. So far I am seeing nothing but good reviews. Thanks.

[nolefan]

I noticed many wanted info on the mm6000.

I had one to test. Just wanted to share what I found out about it. Seeing is believing!

Nothing wrong with Bryman or Greenlee, these are fine meters as well!

All I can say is that for me, it nice that I don't have to spend hundreds of dollars for a good meter. A mm 2000 would have been very good for my needs. But with the mm6000 selling for under $100 It becomes a real bargain.
Hope the info was useful to everyone.

[Wytnucls]

The MM6000 out performs the Flukes in capacitor mode, Go figure!

Which Fluke meter are you comparing capacitance accuracy to?

Fluke 87V 1%+2
MM6000 3.5%+6

[PeterMadach]

how's the continuity test on that Klein? fast, responsive? for only 90 dollars and free shipping, it might be the winner for me.

edit: i just realized they don't seem to ship this to the eu. any thoughts on how can have my hands on one of these?

[retiredcaps]

Klein Tools pics.

Thanks for taking it apart and posting the pics.

[PedroDaGr8]

The MM6000 doesn't comply with the latest IEC recommendations, which will eventually be enforced in the US (Jan2018). Overload protection for a CAT III 1000V meter should be 1000Vrms, not 600Vrms.
That may explain the low price at the moment, as a way of getting rid of old stocks.

Do you have any links to any more information about this enforcement? It will be a very interesting development.

[nolefan]

I used the continuity test to run down a bad wire on my 06 Mustang GT. I did not notice anything odd or slow about the continuity function. It seemed to work as good as any Fluke I use at work. However, I was more focused on finding the wiring problem than the continuity feature. Not sure what you were looking for

[nolefan]

I was testing capacitance against a Fluke 87 v and 27 . At work these meters mostly seem to take aprox. 3 seconds or more to read capacitance. I have come to expect that. However, when I tested the MM 6000 I was expecting the meter to take a little time to lock onto the capacitance like the flukes, I was surprised when it displayed the value very quickly about 1 sec. 

I was comparing the speed at which it reads capacitance not so much the accuracy. The accuracy is close enough that it is not really an issue in the field. They both read well within tollerance.

[nolefan]

As for comparison between a Fluke 87v and this meter, remember, the 87v has a higher resolution. It reads out more places. This meter is not a replacement for a Fluke 87 in that regard. It is a very good 6000 count 3-5/6 display meter.

[Wytnucls]

The 87V has the same max resolution as the MM6000 (10pF). There is no HiRes mode for capacitance. You would have to compare display times with several capacitors of different values for fairness. It takes more time for a meter to settle on a final reading, as the capacitance increases. The 87V also warns you of a necessity to discharge a capacitor, if too high a voltage is present. I don't think the Klein Tools has that feature.
I doubt you will find a large time lag between the two meters, but it is possible.

It is a good meter, with a good collection of features for that price range and probably a top contender for the crown in that cost bracket.
The only thing I would miss is the Peak Hold feature.

[nolefan]

Well said Wytucls! This meter is not a Fluke 87v nor does it claim to be. No one should take this review as such.

Multiple caps were compared! There is about 2 sec. Lag between them when reading good caps. Not a real issue, It was just something I noticed.

This meter was primarily designed for HVAC techs.

[nolefan]

Those outside the USA. I found an eBay seller who ships all over the world.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Klein-Tools-MM6000-1000V-Electricians-HVAC-TRMS-Multimeter-NEW-/291655852121?nav=SEARCH

Try this link. It's $109 usd.  Still a bargain.

[PeterMadach]

Those outside the USA. I found an eBay seller who ships all over the world.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Klein-Tools-MM6000-1000V-Electricians-HVAC-TRMS-Multimeter-NEW-/291655852121?nav=SEARCH

Try this link. It's $109 usd.  Still a bargain.

don't forget the shipping costs... to my country, it's another 24$ to ship here, and if customs pick it up, another ~30$. i can get a brymen 257s for that price...

[nolefan]

After reading more about continuity testing in meters I think I better understand the question about the continuity test. I slapped the leads together really fast and the  beeps kept up with me. So I will say, yes, the continuity test is fast and responsive.